Album Summary
Arc of a Diver is the second solo studio album by singer/multi-instrumentalist Steve Winwood. Released in 1980, Winwood played all of the instruments on the album. Featuring his first solo hit, "While You See a Chance" (which peaked at number 7 on the Billboard Hot 100 in the United States), this was Winwood's breakthrough album as a solo artist. It peaked at number 3 on the Billboard 200 album chart, establishing him as a commercially viable act. The cover artwork for the album is by Tony Wright. He took inspiration from Jazz by Henri Matisse, notably VIII: Icarus.
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Mar 27 2023
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Editorial Note: I’ll be doing a preemptive review before listening and a second, post-listen review of this record.
Pre-Listen Review:
Oh, jeesus - a Steve Winwood record from 1980. That’s like drinking milk 12 years after the sell-by date.
Post-Listen Review:
Refer to Pre-Listen Review.
Aug 07 2024
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Average reviewer on this site: The guy from Traffic released an extremely plastic sounding yacht rock album 🙄
Me, a paragon of taste: The guy from Traffic released an extremely plastic sounding yacht rock album 😍
Four stars.
Aug 03 2023
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I did not enjoy this cut-rate, Peter Gabriel knockoff, Casio keyboard, yacht rock turd of an album.
The opening track, "When You See A Chance" is considered Winwood's best work and, friends, I gotta be honest. That's not a compliment. It's bad. The drum sounds are cartoonishly fake and the synths are bad even for the time.
I tried really hard to find something good here but, the more I listened, the more frustrated I became that THIS is what Winwood decided to do with his solo career. So much talent just... gone to waste.
Nov 30 2023
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1001 albums to hear before you die.. I feel like death is preferable to listening to this again
Mar 03 2021
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I can go for this type of 80s cheese sometimes. I have no particular nostalgia for this album but I was familiar with the lead track. Some of the choices of synth tones are a bit cringey at times. Where I start to have a real problem is on "slowdown sundown" - it sort of breaks the sound he had going for this folksier/rootsier thing and it sounds really out of place. I like "Spanish Dancer" alright but it is mixed so weirdly with those hyper prominent synth notes that it's kinda off putting. "Night Train" probably works best for me overall? By the time it got to the last track I just wanted it to be over (and it's not a long album). I like some individual tracks by him but I can't hang with it for a whole album. 2.5 down to 2.
Apr 14 2022
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Spotify lists Steve Winwood as a 'slick upscale mainstay of adult pop' which makes me feel like a real square because my dad would definitely make fun of me for liking this album. This is 'normcore' in the sense that this album is so normal and palatable that you have to go out of your way to feel anything about it, but this album makes me feel like a mid 80s yuppie in the best sense.
Jan 15 2023
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straight heat 🔥
set my ears on fire from the first ten seconds
10/10
Sep 02 2021
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Guy is good. Cant deny it.
Feb 02 2023
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Traffic pleasantly surprised me. This... this is horrible. Tepid arrangements and ugly synth pads make this yet another embarrassing entry in this shoddy list.
Jun 02 2023
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A fine album that finds Winwood with a new confidence thanks to his writing partnerships. The result is a strong group of songs in which Winwood plays all the instruments. Highlights include the title track, the catchy While You See a Chance, and the soaring album closer, Dust.
Feb 16 2024
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Terrible right out of the gate. I hope the rest of the album isn't this bad.
Yep. This is rough.
Jan 08 2025
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What do you even call this? Easy listening? Adult contemporary? Blue-eyed soul? Yacht pop?
Whatever it is, it’s delicious and I want more of it. I was pretty much sold on this album from the moment the synths come in about 30 seconds in to the opening track, and the remainder of the album did not disappoint. The vibes are immaculate. Listening to this album I imagine myself lounging wealthily in the kind spacious beachside 80s home in Miami or Southern California where the interior is all white with lots of glass blocks.
The first two tracks, “When You See a Chance”, and “Arc of a Diver”, are both just so good. I love the shimmery vaguely exotic tune of “Spanish Dancer”. “Dust” is the track on the album which best showcases Steve’s vocal talent. Throughout the album, the lyrics have a particular mystique and sophistication. Musically this album takes so many small, unexpected twists and turns without ever veering from its lovely distinct sound. I’m impressed but unsurprised to learn that Steve was solely responsible for producing the album and playing *all* of the instruments. It sounds like one person’s clear vision, beautifully executed.
I listened to this album twice before writing my review and it will definitely continue to get lots of rotation in the future. This is the best totally new discovery from this project for me so far. 10/10
Oct 30 2021
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Just great, soulful pop music, nicely done. "When You See a Chance" is the obvious classic track here, worth the price of admission just for this song. "Arc of a Diver" and "Slowdown Sundown" are lovely as well. Nothing on here I didn't like. "Second-Hand Woman" was probably the weakest song overall.
Yes, the top-of-the-line-for-1980 synthesizers are admittedly a bit dated. But it's forgivable thanks in large measure to Steve Winwood himself. You can't shortcut his talent as a vocalist with a machine, that lovely soulful and timeless voice.
Bonus star for the fact that Winwood plays all the instruments on this album, and adeptly so.
Fave Songs: While You See a Chance, Arc of a Diver, Dust, Slowdown Sundown, Spanish Dancer
Mar 05 2025
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Good but not overly memorable album. I got massive Phil Collins vibes from it throughout.
Nov 19 2021
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Winwood going synth would have seemed very odd in 1980, but in league with his blue-eyed soul songwriting chops the whole package works very well.
Jan 08 2025
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This is just the third artist on this list so far that I’ve had the pleasure of seeing live in concert. Steve Winwood opened for Tom Petty in the Saddledome back in 2008, and I’m still genuinely not sure who put on a better performance, both were phenomenal.
But I’m not here to review live shows, I’m here to review this particular album, Arc Of A Diver.
This is a soft yacht rock record that I really enjoyed listening to. Steve Winwoods voice is smooth, slightly soulful, and very pleasant. The songwriting is insightful and shows a clear talent. Musically it’s exceptional, my favourite aspect in that regard is the organ that’s played throughout.
There are moments of funk that keep popping up all throughout this record, but there’s moments where it feels like you’re in a disco in 1977, and others where you’re sitting in a lighthouse staring out at the ocean. It’s a really cool fusion of styles and feelings.
My only complaint about this record is that it doesn’t contain the song “Higher Love”. Aside from that, it’s truly excellent.
5*.
Jan 02 2025
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8/10.
Over the past few days, I've been getting into Peter Gabriel's music, and this album felt very reminiscent of it. I enjoyed it very much. I'm feeling a 4/5, but I have a feeling inside me that I'm going to regret not giving it a 5/5 later on. Perhaps I will regret giving it a 5/5 instead of a 4/5. Whatever, 5/5 it is. It's New Years Day, and I'm exhausted.
Mar 11 2025
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This has been copy-pasted to my subconscious as a rare instance of an album staying on for most of the day, eternal repeat. The opener immediately made me happy as a hit from early childhood long-forgotten but immediately pleasing; the rest feels like an idealised middle-age soundtrack, which suits me. And he did the lot!
A note on the lyrics: yesterday I slagged off Chris Martin’s flimsy big vibes style, but while this shares Coldplay’s aversion to actual life detail, Winwood comes off more as a hippy friend trying to cheer you up rather than Bono.
May 28 2021
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Big fan of Winwood. Not his best album but a classic of the 80s.
Jan 02 2025
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Arc of Diver
Big ‘Today on Pebble Mill we’ll be interviewing Birmingham’s busiest Postman!’ with While You See a Chance.
Steve Winwood has a genuinely interesting career and I like a lot of his stuff, and I am very partial to a bit of easily palatable soul inflected AOR/pop, but I wasn’t entirely convinced by this one, at least on first listen. The songs themselves are fine, if a little unmemorable, but the synths are pretty intrusive, on occasion sounding unintentionally amusing, and the whole thing sounds quite strangely mixed - a lot of the keyboards and guitars as well as the synths are way too prominent in the mix and can feel quite jarring.
It did grow on me on repeat listens though, I actually liked some of the songs, and the sound beneath the unbalanced mixing. While You See a Chance is a nice song, I really liked Second Hand Woman, a great bit of uptempo disco influenced pop-soul, Slowdown Sundown has nice Traffic like energy and feel, and Spanish Dancer is actually an excellent bit of slow burning bit of soulful rock-pop.
It does definitely tail off after Spanish Dancer, but overall I found this pretty enjoyable if a bit patchy. If you want a nice bit of plasticy sounding adult pop there are probably some more consistent places to look, but this is a solid album. I would definitely listen again, but I not actively seek it out. Square in the 3s then.
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Playlist submission: Spanish Dancer
Apr 26 2024
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nah, not for me - figure this guy only had "higher love" and then there's a whole album without it on there, worries me that the other album will be in here too
Jan 12 2026
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Arc of a Diver starts off strong with "While You See a Chance," which co-incidentally makes me tear up 50% of the time I listen to it. This song is arguably Steve Winwood's best. The rest of the album stands strong, but also there's no competing with that song. Still, Winwood provides great music. Some of this album is solemn, but with his lovely voice, he's reassuring and loving. "Slowdown Sundown" starts off slow and tender, but the second half's tempo picks up with the synthesizer. It might be my favorite new find! "Night Train" has an instrumental section that, according to my notes, slaps. And I already mentioned Winwood's voice, but his voice is special and powerful in the closing track of "Dust." A masterpiece without any skips (though I listened to "Slowdown Sundown" on repeat a few times).
This album is almost entirely created by Winwood. At times he had a co-lyricist, but this man provided all vocals, instruments, and arrangements while producing and mixing. I'm flabbergasted, because Winwood pulled a Prince! Arc of a Diver sounds so confident and complete in its final format that it's unbelievable it was all done by one person.
I'm genuinely surprised Arc of a Diver is on this list, when Back in the High Life was a smash hit, but Arc shows Winwood's shift from his first solo album and work in Traffic, Blind Faith, and the Spencer Davis Group. His sound on Arc is pure eighties, even without the synthesizer. Winwood is extremely talented on the keyboards and pianos, so his frequent use of the synthesizer in Arc created a new image for him. His guitar work is frequently underrated, in my opinion, when he receives well-deserved acknowledgement for his piano work. His guitar work is solid and reliable, which allows his piano work to truly stand out. That being said, Winwood is still Winwood on Arc and that's worthy of its placement on the list.
Moreover, I'm genuinely surprised Winwood is not enjoyed much by this group of people. Typically I don't hold much against other people when we all have different music tastes, but y'all are missing out on this man's beautiful voice and soulful music. Winwood was THE iconic pop/rock sound in the eighties, and I'm sorry if you can't see that.
Feb 17 2025
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Yes this album is corny, unfortunately corn is delicious especially when you but some smooth synth butter and some rock n roll salt
This white boy can, in fact play that funky music. Extremely well at that.
Feb 15 2025
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Groovy, melodic, well-produed, diverse and just plain amazing! Steve Winwood is frighteningly underrated, and it's a crime that this is his only solo record on here.
I am now going to listen to his whole discography as a protest against everyone hating on this gem (and not at all because I was looking for an excuse to listen through Steve Winwoods entire discography).
Jan 27 2025
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I'm a fan of Steve's work in Traffic and Blind Faith. I like this a lot too. The fact he plays every instrument on this album showcases what a major talent he is. Steve Winwood is so good that whatever he decides to play, I'm along for the ride.
Jan 02 2025
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excellent album
Nov 27 2024
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Loved this. What a surprise. Highlights were Night Train and Arc of a Diver. Hope we get more Winwood and Winwood projects.
Nov 27 2024
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Sometimes I really miss cocaine.
Nov 07 2024
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Interesting playstyle, some good riffs. I liked the atmosphere, remembered me back the time when I was travelling across the US in my 1965 Shelby mustang. Keeps rocking !
Sep 16 2024
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I don't usually give 5 stars to an album I heard for the first time, but today it happened, once again, that immediate connection that music gives me from time to time (I've been very lucky, because here on this site, this has happened a few times ) and it reminds me of the principles of everything: why I started listening to the albums on this site, why I listen and make music every day and why I love music so much. I feel really lucky!
I already knew Steve because of Higher Love, but after this album today, I will definitely get to know his work in more depth!
Jun 03 2024
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A classic
Apr 19 2024
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A classic
Apr 12 2024
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Very 80’s, but an absolutely delightful listen.
Apr 03 2024
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I think I was in the perfect mood for this. I know a few of them anyway. My favourite Winwood song is Valerie, on his next album - so good that he is consistent.
Second-Hand Woman, While You See A Chance, Night Train, and Spanish Dancer stood out.
Thanks Steve.
Mar 24 2024
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Really groovy and exciting. 5 stars.
Jul 30 2023
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For better or worse, the '80s (and the '70s) had a lot of cheesy music. This genre of 'dad's playlist during a roadtrip' or 'uncle hitting the karaoke machine' might be my favorite. Steve Winwood does the grown-up soul-pop-rock hybrid really well, and even with the synths it doesn't feel gimmicky. Outdated maybe, but still a great listen. Plus, he has a great voice.
I am giving everyone who worked on this record a massive side eye for creating a song like Second Hand Woman though, which just made me roll my eyes at how prehistoric it was. That aside though, I can't lie that this was banger after banger.
Standout tracks are While You See a Chance and Arc of a Diver.
Jul 27 2023
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In 1986 I fell in love with Steve Winwood’s Back in the High Life. I played the heck out of that album. After several months I then bought Arc of a Diver. I fell in love with this album too, although it always ran a close second to the later release.
One of the unexpected pleasures of this project has been the opportunities to revisit albums I already know with fresh ears. I really can’t remember the last time I listened to this album, but it could have easily been 20 years ago.
It’s pretty cool to hear this moment where a seasoned artist re-launched his career… a solid foundation for Winwood becoming 80s musical royalty. Back in the day Steve Winwood was just an 80s star… I had no idea that I was witnessing a really impressive reinvention. I just loved the music.
Although I still prefer Back in the High Life, I’m still very enthusiastic that this terrific album made it on this list!
Jan 11 2023
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I just really love the energy of Steve Winwood's voice, throughout this album and all of his music
Sep 14 2022
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FANTASTIC
Jan 28 2022
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excellent
Apr 27 2021
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80's GOODNESS. Not a bad song on the album dude. Absolutely grooving the whole time.
Jan 26 2021
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loved it
Jan 22 2021
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Most excellent indeed
Apr 28 2025
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Catchy melodies
With unexpected dance grooves
By seasoned singer
Apr 24 2024
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Jazzy/poppy, nice grooves
Oct 20 2022
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Good, but was it really outstanding? I'm not convinced, but I'll probably give it another whirl sometime.
Apr 01 2021
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wow that opening synth riff is STRONG. Sets a rad 80's tone right away. Obvious he and Phil Collins worked together from that track alone, and the rest of the album only solidifies that bond. It is disappointing that it trails off into mediocrity at the end. Looking at the Side A and B divisions, I'd give side A a 5 for fun synthy pop, and side B a 2.5. The whole thing gets a 4 because of what it almost was, but I'm left feeling disappointed.
Mar 11 2025
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I did enjoy listening to this, although couldn't really remember much about it afterwards. He played everything on the record, apparently, just like another Stevie W. Quite good, quite short, quite Peter Gabriel in parts
Jun 21 2024
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“Arc of a Diver'' sounds like an album made by someone older than 32. But Steve Winwood had been in bands since he was 14 (first in the Spencer Davis Group with his brother, Muff Winwood. Yes, Muff was a nickname. But why? Previously puzzled by the big muffs of John Martyn and Mudhoney, we learned about Harmonix fuzzboxes. But Muff Winwood’s muff was smaller. It was a 1950s children’s TV show puppet horse character named Muffin the Mule. What muff did to earn being nicknamed after a puppet horse we have no idea.)... where were we?
After the Spencer Davis Group, Steve Winwood was in Traffic (the band, not the frustrating gridlock of cars on busy roads) and a brief supergroup with Cream’s Eric Clapton and Ginger Baker before his solo career got going in the 1980s. So he was quite the experienced veteran releasing “Arc of a Diver” in 1980. And “While You See a Chance” is a great opener for that decade. Winwood clearly shows he can hang at the yacht club with his soft layering of synthesizers, organs, and guitars. Impressively, he played every instrument on the album.
But while that was a great intro to the 80s, it was Winwood’s 1986 album that couldn’t have embodied the decade better. What more 80s song is there than “Higher Love?” And on an album that also included “Back in the High Life Again” and “The Finer Things.” The soft, easy listening of yacht rock makes up much of the background soundtrack of my childhood. As the hippies turned to yuppies, Winwood and his contemporaries led the way.
Apr 19 2023
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"Whoa. Hang on. It's all good. I got a Steve Winwood CD in my car. I'll go grab that."
- Dennis Reynolds (IASIP)
Apr 24 2024
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started out pretty fun, got kinda boring later tho
Oct 27 2022
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- Only knowledge of Steve Winwood before this was Higher Love or Dennis from Always Sunny
- Boring 80s pop
- Wouldn't listen to it again
Feb 28 2025
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This feels like it should be the music for like, the tourism board of a Disney World knock off in like. Mississippi. Like it feels familiar, but it’s not the same. In fact it fucking sucks.
Aug 27 2021
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Is this what people think they're hearing when they listen to Steely Dan and don't like it? They're wrong. It's not this. This is this. And it's bad. Maybe I'm allowing the try-hard that permeates every bit of it to colour my judgement, and it'd sound more winning if I got past that, but first blush is all I got.
Jan 17 2026
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Great, but his previous album is even better.
Nov 24 2025
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Honestly I'm rating this high for the fact that the guy did it all.
Like, everything. All vocals, all instruments. This was a one man operation. I'm sure there were engineers and technicians involved, but this is a Steve Winwood joint. That's it.
The songwriting is strong, if not a little dated. But I think it and a lot of Winwood solo stuff holds up to classic pop/rock standards.
I can see a track or two (not much more) landing on a playlist or two.
Nov 14 2025
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I really enjoyed this album, even the album cover which is calming and abstract.
He has the classic 80s soft rock sound, singing quite high but hitting lots of higher pitches that worked well with the album. Some good instrumental work in there too to create a tranquil tone. Reminded me abit of van morrison.
Nov 02 2025
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Classic
Oct 27 2025
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Damn...a perfect album.
Oct 20 2025
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Looking at the reviews, some people dislike this album because it sounds dated. That's funny, because for me this album is more appealing because of the retro sound. The synths on "While You See A Chance" aren't something we hear much of these days, and we are worse off for it. The album is a really fun listen overall.
Favorite track: "Night Train"
Sep 19 2025
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Sweet sweet synth action right out of the gate, and continued nicely throughout the album. Didn't realize he was one of the singers in Traffic but makes sense after listening to it closer.
Pretty funky bassline going throughout the whole album. This was a really unique one that was super enjoyable. Had this on a 4/5 line until the ultimate funklord of a song Night Train song pushed it over. Lower 5 but still an absolute baller of an album.
If you told me this was Genesis I would have 100% believed you.
Sep 16 2025
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One of the top 1,000. Used to be top 100 then top 500 but I keep getting older and hearing more great stuff. This one’s been on the list since the beginning
Jul 20 2025
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Pretty rockin'! Have listened to the Clapton Winwood live album many times and enjoyed this!
Jul 11 2025
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Awesome album
Jul 02 2025
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i like this music
its easy to listen to
Jun 11 2025
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I remember when and where I bought this! I’ve been a fan of Winwood a long time.
May 14 2025
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Really enjoyed this. Like a space version of yacht rock.
Mar 27 2025
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This album is just oozing 80's cheese and I am not going to lie I kind of love it. It's extremely synthy and would not feel out of place in the background of a montage. I kinda had a feeling I was going to be hooked in the first 10 seconds or so and I was right.
Jul 17 2024
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Incredible album of all the best songs, my reaction: https://images.app.goo.gl/bXxv3s3uRng8CrSY9
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Jul 05 2024
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Love this album have not listened to it in years
Jun 14 2024
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I really liked this one! In the vein of Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, etc. Made some good endorphins. :)
Mar 07 2024
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Such a fun album. Second-Hand Woman is amazing. While You See a Chance is fantastic. Slowdown Sundown is a song I could picture my parents listening to in the living room when I was young young.
Last few songs on the first disc kind of fall off but I will be coming back to Steve Winwood often. He has the added bonus of really reminding me of my parents' music. A nostalgia that will continue to tug at my heart.
Mar 06 2024
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Wonderful!
Feb 23 2024
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A great chill album!
Feb 23 2024
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Classic
Feb 19 2024
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Great album, great mixing, good to leave it on and listen for any occasions.
Jan 19 2024
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Great album and very nostalgic for me. Have recently got on vinyl. Great Tunes : arc of a diver, spanish dancer and while you see a chance which presaged Valerie on his next album
Jan 19 2024
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Love this album - both when it came out and to relisten today
Jan 17 2024
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Really hooks you in from the first song and doesn't let up. Such a great album and will have on repeat for a while.
Jan 17 2024
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banger!! i like the synths. favorite songs: secondhand woman, night train
Oct 20 2023
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Amazing
Oct 08 2023
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Great! I really enjoyed this album.
May 24 2023
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Really appreciated this y'day. Great music. A slightly generous 5
Jan 25 2026
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Oh yeah! While You See A Chance is an absolute banger!
Good album overall!
Jan 18 2026
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Chillig
Jan 12 2026
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Apparently we have a lot of yacht rock haters doing this project. I personally enjoy yacht rock, and I enjoyed this inclusion from Steve Winwood! I think "yacht rock" became rather synonymous with laid back songs with somewhat laid back lyrics. Here, though, Winwood puts a lot of thought into his lyrics, and each come across as meaningfully written. The music is classic yacht rock, though Winwood still excels even here with masterful arrangements.
Speaking of the masterful arrangements, it is worth noting that Winwood did nearly everything here -- sung, played all the instruments, and did all the mixing. That's incredibly impressive!
A fantastic album that, in my opinion, deserves more praise!
Jan 06 2026
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Great little album if you like 80's soul, pop rock, especially. There is a lot of talent and amazing composition and playing here, but a lot of people may dismiss it for just the 80's part. Still, Winwood played all the instruments and wrote some amazing hooks and parts that come together here in a fun and interesting way.
Jan 01 2026
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Eighties-rrific! And refreshing. Yes some parts sound dated or even cheesy but there's something awesome about this record. 3.8
Dec 21 2025
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Steve Winwood was my first date with my wife. A great album.
Dec 16 2025
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An album filled with yacht rock goodness, but not greatness. As someone who has recently gotten into yacht rock more, especially since it’s like a spiritual cousin to city pop, I hadn’t heard this album yet. Like I said though, the album is good, not great. While an overall fun album, I feel like there are better examples out there that could have been chosen. 3.75 / 5
Dec 11 2025
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Damn I really liked the first two songs. Synthy and boppy and both actually a lot more my speed than "Higher Love" which I also enjoy. I'm rating this a four because I just love those first two songs so much and they're 29% of the album. The rest is a vibe. Maybe I just love music these days, IDK.
Dec 11 2025
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Cool early 80s sound
Dec 03 2025
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4.14/5 Stars
Top Songs: Second Hand Woman, While You See a Chance and Night Train
Dec 03 2025
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Ah, off to a good start with farty 80s synth. Weird how that's happened on several 1001 albums so far.
Nah, "While You See a Chance" turns into a decent song though.
Ooh, the bass gets a little farty too!
Honestly though I'm kinda vibing with this. Perfectly cromulent soft rock. Solid listen.
Nov 30 2025
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# Playlist Track
- While You See A Chance
# Notes
- Kind of a generic 80's sound, for sure. But I really dig the synths and jazzy sounds.
- Opening track is a certified banger!
- Rest is kind of forgettable, good for background noise.
- But I still enjoyed it, and I'm giving one extra star for the SICK cover art.
Nov 27 2025
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Solid
Nov 27 2025
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7/10
Nov 24 2025
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Þessi vinnur á. Misskemmtileg lög, en ég er sérstaklega hrifinn af titillaginu, While you see a chance, Spanish diver. Hitt er solid 80s adult contemporary. Ég er adult contemporary, já já.
Nov 20 2025
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I remember when Steve and Len Houmous accidentally got married when they were trekking to Machu Picchu. That’s actually what the strokes wrote the song about. 4.0
6/7 Night Train
Nov 17 2025
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so sweet and nice