Pink Flag by Wire

Pink Flag

Wire

3.2
Rating
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I'm glad to have listened to this after listening to some of the other short-form hardcore/post-hardcore on this list. It made it easier to draw a line from this album's influence onto future genres, and I think made me appreciate it more. 7/10

Have heard of Wire many many times and never listened. Great punk band. Really enjoyed.

Amazing punk album.

Sex Pistols, is that you?

enjoyable punk rock

Each track capsulates punk music‘s characteristics very well.

Bland, average punk

A couple songs were ok but I wasn’t really into this style of punk.

4/5. I liked it a fair bit. They sounded a bit like the Ramones which I liked. Up beat and quick. A lot of English Pop/Rock albums so far.

Never heard of Wire, but I liked this album. It seems to have spawned half a dozen different musical sub-genres in one go, and it moves between them at pace. I've got a lot of time for bands who keep the songs to under 90 seconds. Literally.

noice, good to know this band

Startlingly still relevant 70s punk I’ve never heard before? The dark and foreboding lyrics paired with the fast and raw musicality really worked for me. I’m going to give this one multiple listens.

I have no idea what they're saying; this is my kind of rock. Although now this feels more like punk. To be honest, I didn't know when punk started, but in or around 1977 would not have been my guess.

I remember hearing this album for the first time about a decade ago and it being a brilliant half hour. It remains so. Averaging about 90 seconds a track, nothing outstays it's welcome, it's all very good fun (well, musically, lyrically it's pretty serious). It has Three Girl Rhumba (elastica's best song), Ex Lion Tamer, 12XU, it's like an intro to great punk.

Solid punk album

Loud simple music with a bit of a nerdy edge to it. Makes me think of something like The Ramones mixed with Talking Heads.

I can see how it would have been influential, but a bit same same for my taste

Rockiges Album bei dem man leider nur wenig vom Gesang versteht. Erinnert ein bisschen an die Ramones.

It was a solid album, nothing really stood out to me as particularly special, but I did enjoy it.

Personally one of the most important albums in my musical development. When I heard this album in 1980 I had never heard anything quite like it...and to this day never heard anything quite like it. In that way it is similar to Gang of Four's Entertainment; they are both of their time but also timeless. Great song after great song on this album whether it's the crunching guitar of the opener Reuters, to the 28 second assault of Field Day for the Sundays or the beautiful melodies of Mannequin and Fragile to the anthemic punk of Ex Lion Tamer to the grunge sounding Strange...this album bever fails to impress and delight. An easy 5 star album that 40 years later still gets regular play in my listening room. As an aside it is a travesty that either Chairs Missing or 154, the 2nd and 3rd Wire albums, didn't make this list.

Yeah this is a classic punk album

I’ve wanted to listen to this for a while but never got round to it… The album opens with Reuters, quite a cool heavy little rocker and at 3:03 the album’s third longest song! Field days for Sundays is a little rocker not amazing but feels like more of a bridge between songs 1 and 3. Oh it’s connection ( well actually 3 girl rumba but elastica stole the guitar riff) and it’s good nothing amazing but a nice song. Ex loon tamer is a rather good song, I like the use of backing vocals on this one. Lowdown opts for a spoken word style at the start which makes the song sound really unique amongst its peers. Start to move is a proper punk riot with brilliant guitars. I like the drumming of brazil. It’s so obvious has a cool little guitar riff. Surgeons girl is good but I don’t really like the random African sounding drum bits that don’t really fit in with the tune. Side one ends with the title track pink flag and it’s the second longest song on the album, a song that really feels like the climax to the album best part is the mental outro that it has! The commercial starts off side two with a short instrumental, meh but I get it’s inclusion. Straight line is probably my favourite out of the “microsongs” good tune! 106 beats that manages to fit in a nice guitar solo but the last verse sounds really crammed, cool. Mr suit is a very angry thing indeed. The longest song on the album is strange a dark slow rocker, really dug this! Fragile is a violent sounding love song and it’s cool. I’ve herd the Carter USM cover of mannequin before so I have some vague ground with the tune and well the original wire version is better a very good song. Different to me is the last really really short under 1 minute song and it’s okay these short songs are a cool idea but go in one ear and out of the other. Champs has some great guitars work and listenable lyrics but the hand claps… not for me. The penultimate track feeling called love is a great tune I love the super muffled guitars that pop in the later part of the song. 12 X U closes the album and I kinda get it as a closer but it’s not an amazing song to be honest? This has gotta be the shortest 20 song album ever.

I’d never heard of this band, but totally recognized the riff Elastica copied. Fun record!

Idk I just found this album to be really boring. There’s basically nothing remarkable that I can remember from it. It didn’t help that I never understood any of the lyrics

i think i’m just burnt out on punk at this point

I'm starting to think if I were born in the 70s I would have been a punk kid.

Another example of re-listening to something that was on RS500 and appreciating it more the second time around

Brit punk noise. Guess I'm just not interested in it, nothing wrong with the music really.

Rating: 7/10 Best songs: Ex-lion tamer

Another album — another band! — I've never even heard of. Definitely a cool feature of this adventure. Punk was never a genre I particularly connected with, Siouxsie and the Banchees and a couple of others were exceptions, and for a minute, I heard a similarity with Siouxsie and Wire. That didn't exactly last, and I won't consider this a band I've fallen in love with, but they were cool and did this right — short songs, no bullshit, bing, bang boom. I did recognize "Strange," though it took a quick Internet search to realize that's because R.E.M. covered the tune on Document. Funny how those lyrics triggered that "I know this from somewhere" switch in my brain. And what the fuck did we do before the Internet? I was there, but what did we do? Just go crazy trying to remember things we couldn't look up in 12 seconds? I would not have put the R.E.M. connection together. So... a 2? A 3? I don't see me going back to this album or this band a whole lot, but maybe. I'm going with a 3. Right down the middle.

Fuck yeah. All-time great album. I listened to this all through college but haven't listened to it much since. It's amazing how many of the lyrics I still remember. There's not a ton of punk that resonates with me, but Pink Flag still totally does.

Another band I never heard of and from what I read, that's the story of Wire's life. While I'm not a punk fan, I didn't hate this. But by track 15, I didn't like it either.

I like that the album is energetic, and I can hear how this album has influenced some modern artists. However, some of the songs seem to blend together and can be boring at some points. Favorite song: Mannequin.

How do you record 21 tracks on a 37 minute album? You make a lot of short tracks. Thirteen of these tracks are 1:30 or less, and six of those are less than a minute each. I found myself waiting for songs to develop only to have the track end and another begin. Although the band purposely took a minimalistic approach in writing this album, I found it a little unnerving.

Apparently I just do not like 70s euro punk

two stars to respect pioneers of a genre, but i'd never listen to this by choice

I don't have much to say. I enjoyed it in the background. Was anything singable? I don't know... hm There were some songs that had sounds that were beyond the guitar, drums and vocal... I was actually turning my head to see where these sounds were coming from quite frequently.

i just couldn't get into this. it's certainly LIKE tons of stuff i like. but it isn't. sorry wire!

Es por este tipo de descubrimientos que sigo adelante con este proyecto

So many ideas. Ex lion tamer and Mannequin fantastic pop punk. Strange I heard the REM cover first. Short, stabby, songs everywhere else. No need to write much here it's so massively influential. The longer it goes on the better it gets. Fabulous album.

Not my typical genre, but pretty enjoyable nonetheless. I can imagine this playing while digging through crates at a record store adding a nice soundtrack to the experience

Great punk

This is an album that will stay on high rotation for a while

Interesting to hear a massive riff elastics used. Other than that made no real impression I’m afraid, other than to not disappoint.

Fun punky music but too soft for me.

Starts out unpromising, but gets better.

Edgy hard cold punk rock. Fun but not for all the time

This is the debut album by English rock band Wire. This British punk rock album earned the band a cult following after its release because it was a fresh and invigorating take on the genre. For some unknown reason the album was never a big seller, but it influenced a lot of the punk culture and gave inspiration to other bands that would even cover some of the songs on this album. The tracks were quick, explosive jam sessions of punk attitude that created a bundle of awesome songs. I liked the album and I would recommend it to any fans of punk or rock music.

yah cool

Sounds like every other English punk band but a little better than the last one that sounded like every other English punk band but not as good as the other punk band after that so this one splits the difference.

Fine early punk. Doesn’t really break out or transcend the normal chord progressions.

Great album - really holds up almost 50 years later.

Funky but not my taste

Never heard of them, but grew up listening to punk rock in the 80s 90s. Awesome!

I was really surprised actually! I've never heard of this band before even though I like this era of music. The short songs really seem to fit the album format the best so far. Pretty unique music, my first 5 star rating.

Pink Flag can stand on its own legs as a great album, but listening to this in a vacuum doesn't do the genre or moment in time justice. Post Punk, Hardcore, and Alt scenes all owe a lot to this record. Wire finished what the Ramones started. It's insane this album is from the friggin 70's Reuters - Halfway through the first play of Reuters I restarted and doubled the volume - immediately gave the drudging guitars more atmosphere and weight for that build up. Field Day for the Sundays - Did the Wire or Minutemen come first? I'm a sucker that farm boy punk banjo sound Three Girl Rhumba - I actually know this from Elastica first (I love 90's girl alt rock - go watch that music video for connection right now), and while I like their take on that riff more I gotta knock em for stealing it from Wire Ex Lion Tamer - Such an unreal tune! I love singing the back up vocals in a dumb deep voice, one of my favourite tunes on the album both instrumentally and lyrically. You cant not play air guitar to this one! Every time this tune shows up day to day Im good for a couple immediate replays. Lowdown - Probably the only song on the album that I'd consider too long Start to Move - Vintage Wire. I swear this dude goes an entire album without annunciating a single word Brazil / It's So Obvious / Surgeon's Girl - Nice slew of 1 minute songs. Drumming stands out on all of them and love those tweaked vocals on Obvious but I don't love the Irish drunk boy vocals of Surgeons Girl Pink Flag - This song could have came out today and depending on the producer it could have been Stoner Rock, Hardcore, Post Punk, or Pysch Rock. The bones of this track have been widely used since - you can feel the wire start to gear their music to a more solitary listening experience rather than the typical jams that were designed to be played live Straight Line - This was made to be played live 106 Beats - Vocals are a bit mismatched but the progression makes up for it. That riff (progression?) at 42 seconds rules Mr Suit - Classic punk tune down to the 1,2,3,4 Strange - Another favourite. You can feel this one borrowing from early DEVO as the vocals gets a bit more nerdy/tech while still being grounded by that drudge guitar sound. Love the experimentation in the studio too, the producer had fun with this one. Fragile - That drum beat is surprisingly dance-able. Mannequin - A CLASSIC. People have written essays about this song so I don't have to. Feels like a really early take on pop punk or emo . . . proto-emo? Different to Me - Perfectly paced, love the roar of the opening vocals Champs - Some interesting vocal experimentation going on here that separate it from the others. Champs bridges the gap between those explosive 1 min bangers and the 4 minute more considered tunes. Franz Ferdinand created an entire style after this song. Feeling Called Love - Least favourite tune on the album. Sounds like he's doing a Bob Dylan impression lol. 1 2 X U - The opening dialogue feels gimmicky but this tune has a rich history of being expertly covered (Minor Threat <3) Overall, Pink Flag is not an easy listen, the explosively short songs demand attention but its legacy can be heard in modern takes of rock keeping this album fresh. I bet this was the first time reviewers were using words like "minimalistic" or "atmospheric" to describe rock music. Wire deserves to be considered alongside Devo, Gang of Four, Joy Division, and the Talking Heads as the most important bands to mature punk.

I'm sure this is a seminal punk rock album, but punk rock just isn't for me. As much as I have tried, I can't enjoy this style of music. The raw vocals and fuzzy instrumentation just sound ugly and unpleasant to my ears. To each their own! The only song I legitimately enjoyed on this album was "Mannequin". I could at least tolerate some of the slower, more melodic tracks like "Three Girl Rhumba" and "Lowdown"... but not enough to ever seriously revisit them. The rest just sounds like noise, to me. Sorry, punk rock fans! Standout tracks: "Mannequin"

the opener works well the singers voice is so so annoying im reading lyrics as i go along and the lyrics are powerful and clever the really short second track has a really catchy instrumental a lot of the songs are just hard to listen to every song so far i dont see myself returning to but i enjoy the guitar the track "mr suit" is one of the most annoying songs ive heard in a while this would be a 1/10 if it wasnt influential and had bad songwriting 2/10 worst one we've had yet

Not a band I'm familiar with nor a genre I listen to much but quite enjoyed this album. Each song was short, fun and set themselves apart from the others - a really easy listen and short enough that despite not being a Punk fan, I still enjoyed the album.

Another boring punk album

This was actually pretty enjoyable. Will I listen to it again? Probably not, given the sheer amount of actually great music out there, but maybe?

El mejor disco de punk inglés.

Some creative early punk, I can see how it would be very influential. The lightest of 4s

I wrote in another review that a lot of British punk bands sound like they're soullessly checking off a list to ensure they meet all the qualifications of punk, and this is one of those bands. It sounds like they clocked in at 10, drudged their way through a tedious task, and got home by 3. And then maybe they took a nap. It's not bad, it's just...boring. Best track: Mannequin

I was with it

wouldn't come back to it

4.1 - This album always feels ahead of it’s time. The minimalism comes off as clean and modern. No fat punk. Fragile and Lowdown are great, and Strange was a bit of a discovery for me on this listen.

This album is a cult classic that has a wide ranging influence that spans post-punk, hardcore, and britpop. The music itself is driving and minimalist, but unlike other British punk bands of the time, Wire is not anti-musicianship. They use their music in a way that is more in the spirit of their proto-punk predecessors and embrace the experimentally. The album is a short 36 minutes long though it is made up of 21 songs. Many songs are short impressions that link together to drive the disconnected bits forward as the album progresses. It is this experimentation with form that set Wire apart from their contemporaries who were more concerned with being perceived as anti-establishment and anti-rock and roll. It can be argued that Wire is bucking the British punk attitude and aesthetic perhaps making them the most punk of them all. Having said all that, calling them a punk band feels like a disservice. They occasionally have an almost Beatles/Byrds like guitar sound with layered vocal harmonies that betray their punk credentials. The acrobatic bass imparts a new wave/post-punk feel at times that would be at home on a Smiths record. Overall, I find that this album sounds at home in just about any decade.

Tímamótaverk, ég veit ekkert um það. En hresst pönk og oft skemmtilegt.

I should liked this a lot more. The songs were short and fun but the vocals just didn't work for me.

Pos-punk meio repetitivo.

Short quick and groovy great punk 🔥

3.5 stars. Decent post-punk. I feel like Elastica borrowed from Three Girl Rhumba.

Short albums with short songs deserve short reviews. Chaotic, confounding, catchy, cryptic... genius.

One of those perfect albums.

Poopy. I think 3 chords were used in this whole album.

Punk-rock setentero. En media hora te tocan más de 20 canciones... Un 4.

"Pink Flag" is the brilliant debut album from Wire. Classifying Wire is almost impossible; Throughout their career they've like had like four iterations. I would definitely put this in the punk category with 21 songs clocking in at 35 minutes. There are some similarities to the Ramones (1,2,3,4). However, some of their songs have a much more darker and grungier edge. There are some songs with no choruses that just end after 45 seconds. That's punk. The songs seem to fall into three categories to me: pop-rock with choruses, dark driving more grungy and straight-forward punk. Lyrically, this album jumps all around from political, social, and a bunch of other topics. This album was heavily influential with covers/samples by Henry Rollins, Elastica, Minor Threat, Firehouse, the Minutemen and R.E.M. Two of my favorite songs follow more in pop-rock category: I can't play "Three Girl Rhumba" without hearing Elastica's "Connection." Just listen. Also, I won't be able to get the great chorus "Stay glued to your TV set" out of my head all day after listening to "Ex Lion Tamer." In the grungy dark category, "Pink Flag" has an eerie percussion beginning and then kicks in with their driving guitars and ends in a very punk way. "Strange" is the longest song on the album at four minutes and is driven by a distorted guitar and ends with screams and echos. How R.E.M. reconstructed this song into a pop song is quite the reinterpretation. "12XU" ends the album in a straight-forward punk way. Great, simplistic lyrics. This is a great album. I could re-write this second paragraph with five different songs. I would also say that I haven't heard a bad Wire album. All of them are worth checking out to some extent.

Ganske bra + For three girl rhumba

Old note by now but my main objection here is the English punk/post-punk vocal style. Understood about one word in ten and the attitude is just boring. Maybe it was super rebellious when it was new, maybe annoying middle class, middle age dudes is the whole point. I liked the music pretty well. When I heard REM’s version of Strange I had no idea it was a cover.

Riffs. Punk.

pretty good punk sound. Not necessarily distinctive, but solid.

Необычный альбом для 77 года. Либо я редко слушал панк-рок. Но так не сильно зацепил, хотя некоторые треки звучали интересно.

While I definitely heard worse, I fail to see the special in this album.

Lekker energiek, wel typisch zo'n band die ik vaker heb beluisterd maar die me niet echt weet te raken.

Kon dit best hebben, niet alle nrs waren even leuk, maar al met al heb ik best vermaakt met dit plaatje.

Nogmaals, punk is niet mijn ding. Punt.

Niet zo tof.

Ik zat met een collega in de auto. Hij werd heel blij van deze muziek. Ik wat minder.

Hey, this is the album that birthed Elastica! But, in all seriousness, I struggle to classify Wire as a full on punk band. More like an art rock group that saw the punk explosion as an opportunity to get their foot in the door and get their foot in the door they did. Mixing short songs with harbingers of what they would later come up with, Pink Flag remains Wire's defining statement forty-five years on through sheer invention and aplomb. Yet another example of 1977 being a sublime year for music. Favorites: Reuters, Three Girl Rumba, Ex Lion Tamer, Lowdown, Pink Flag, Strange, Fragile, Mannequin, Feeling Called Love, 12 X U.

xaropinho na real

Pièces de deux minutes qui gueulent fuck off avec enthousiasme. Très chouette. Le batteur ne semble pas comprendre qu'il devrait bûcher, donnons-lui l'excuse qu'en 1977 ce genre de musique était à ses balbutiements.

I totally love the album, though I'm not into punk music. This one is so energetic and harmonic and high-quality, so I would keep it for my collection.

precursors to lots of stuff

Punk type music.

Amazing to think they were making this as punk was also about The Damned and The Pistols.

Brilliant stuff here.

Raw and punky, some really catchy grooves on this record

I knew 12XU as a Minor Threat song. Live and learn eh? Cool stuff

This? Just <3

Good rock

Good drive. But fell apart there at the end.

So many punk albums rip this one off. This is the blueprint.

Artsy and angry, my favorite flavor of punk. Been meaning to listen to this one for a while and it was well worth it!

Punchy, fun songs tightly coiled in a record with no filler in my opinion. Great punky stuff.

wire less or wire full

Pretty cool and foreshadowing but not the most iconic punk album of the era

Good sound, solid album. I cannot recall hearing them before but I do like the album and would listen again.

Getting a bit tired of these old punk 'golds' tbqh. I know there's a legacy thing, but they're all sounding quite stale these days.

Really solid punk/post-punk album. Some hardcore riffs, and some melodic bits. Enjoyed the punk yelling.

I liked it loud!

I thought this album was fantastic. I found myself thinking about how much I'd love to hang out these guys. They seem like a perfect mix of smart and cool. The intonations that they make with their voices are subtle for punk, but really lend themselves to the beat. I particularly liked "Fragile" and "It's So Obvious." I will definitely save some of these songs for future listens.

Not my thing- lots of short forgettable songs and thought the vocals were whiny and garbled. Surgeon's girl was bloody annoying in particular. There was plenty of energy at least and Strange was cool, had some Talking Heads vibes.

A riotous punk album and such a confident debut, what a class record

Classic.

Best Song: Tough to find a standout in this list of noisy snippets. Worst Song: Three Girl Rhumba. It legitimately sounds like his mouth is numbed for this song. Overall: Really not that much to pick out here. Doesn't have the tempo or emotion of good punk or rock, instead just kinds of sits in this middle space of mediocre noisiness, as if being abrasive were its own virtue.

I love punk. I really do. "Pink Flag" is a great punk album. But. It's missing one of my favorite aspects of punk. The sheer, nihilistic joy of punk is missing here. The classic punk stance of "the world is screwed up and screw the world" seems to be missing. Instead, Wire has leaned hard into the angrier aspects of punk. The overall theme is darker, angrier, and more raw than other punk albums of the time. This is often cited as a reason for calling this early post-punk or even pre-hardcore. And for all that, it's good. The sheer intensity of the minimally produced, almost raw sound is enticing in the same way that great hardcore is. It's compelling. But I do so wish there were some lighter moments. I prefer my punk to be delivered with a knowing smirk, not a glowering scowl.

A fun album but nothing that wowed me.

So very good. I love the story of when Wire resumed touring in '87 after many years off. The opening band covered Pink Flag in its entirety so Wire didn't have to revisit their old sound. https://gojohnnygojohnny.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/the-ex-lion-tamers-wire-the-amazing-story-via-cassette/

Seminal lo-fi punk album. Has some genius moments but over 21 mostly 2 minutes songs it just feels too disjointed for me to really enjoy.

Iconic band and album - much more so, in the case of the latter, for being a debut.

A terse classic. Iconic. I'm glad I got to see them in 2020.

Wow, what a fun ride that was. 21 songs in just over half an hour, and each one a joyful vignette of punk simplicity.

I took a while to get into it, but I like the Ramones feel but with a spooky edge.

Big sounds and cutting guitars

I ain’t into it ngl

If there is one thing this whole exercise has taught me, it's that I am a fool for having ignored punk music from the 70's for this long. Shame on me! This album, with its 21 songs in 37 minutes, is a whirlwind of musical thoughts. Don't conflate that for a lack of quality though. In contrast to my equal appreciation of prog-rock, I also appreciate that Wire didn't feel the need to draw anything out. If they could get the idea across with a single verse and 40 seconds, then sobeit. Each track, be it an entire song or a segment, is complete and stands on its own. If you're only glancing across the album, you would be forgiven for thinking much of it is all the same, but a closer listening reveals the contours of something unique in every song. Some of the brightest spots for me, which also show the diversity of sound across the album, are 'Three Girl Rhumba', 'Lowdown', 'Mr Suit' and 'Champs'.

I enjoyed

Meh, generic punk that isn't really punk, it lacks substance.

Not for me, this one. Not awful, but doesn't say a lot to me. I feel like this one must be something that inspired people rather than being brilliant in its own right? Does definitely sound later than 1977, more so the instrumental than the vocals (which are very punky and of their time). About the same number of tracks as Elton yesterday, but half the length in time - only two of the tracks are over 3 minutes long. There are a couple I enjoy in there - Ex-Lion Tamer being my favourite - but I can't see myself listening to this ever again. 2/5.

Believe the hype. This album schools.

A fascinating missing link between the early stages of punk and post-punk and the following hardcore, new wave, and alternative scenes. At times Pink Flag sounds like traditional punk, reminiscent maybe of The Sex Pistols whose debut album dropped the same year. Other times, dark, distorted guitars bring to mind the brooding of The Stooges. Midway through the album, I hear a seed of Talking Heads. Other songs foretell Black Flag or The Dead Kennedys. Wire moves effortlessly and fluidly between genres and probably spawns a couple along the way. Even lyrically, they move between smart, political lyrics (see "Reuters") to more lager-soaked, in-your-face, punk-grousing with songs like Mr. Suit ("Take your fucking money and shove it up your arse"), depending on the sonic profile and intent of the song. The effort in their shifting lyric styles and music approaches is worth noting. It is what elevates this album to more than the average quality of its individual songs. Pink Flag is not an easy listen. Few of the 21 tracks could be singles (though you will likely note that "Three Girl Rhumba's" excellent guitar is sampled on Elastica's "Connection"). Rather, the album is an intersection and likely origin point of many emerging styles of the late 70s and beyond. Wire is at once slavish and subversive to genre conventions as they present archetypical sounds and subjects and then utterly ignore precedent on how to piece them together, assembling component parts of countless styles in new and novel ways. As a result, Pink Flag is a genre-defying musical madhouse.

Every song sounded like a watered-down version of The Clash or X. I found myself wondering why I wasn't just listening to one of the other "real" bands.

Una de les pedres filosofals d'on va nèixer el post punk i un altre dels grans discos de 1977, que sembla un any beneït per la inspiració. Petites píldores subversives, ja poden ser melòdiques ('Mannequin'), polítiques ('Reuters'), sarcàstiques ('Field Day for the Sundays') o pròpiament cançons del moment ('Strange'). Tota la influència que va generar parla del disc per si mateixa

Very fast, very energetic, very mediocre rock. I get that it inspired a lot of other groups, but the album itself just felt bland to me.

Spiky guitars, spiky vocals, spiky drums. Music so angular you could cut yourself on it. Best Tracks: Three Girl Rhumba; Ex Lion Tamer; Mannequin

Nett, aber nicht umwerfend...

2/8/2022 Today's Album: "Pink Flag" by Wire - This album is 35 minutes of 21 fairly short songs, with many running just over a minute. This UK band plays punchy punk-garage rock that goes well with the format of the album, since the tunes they are playing are usually quite abrasive, making their short runtime a warm welcome. In the longer songs, the band takes a step back to work on stronger melodies, but they still come across as a chugging, angry, and punky melodies that do tend to grate on my ears after a while. The lyrics get drowned out in the mix fairly often and anytime the band actually tried for a subtler approach, it is often cut short in favor of more yelling and chugging guitars and drums. I think it's a good album if you like punk influence and want to listen to some upbeat and quick tunes, but it really isn't something I'd like to come back to. The style is obviously fairly new at the time of release (1977) so there is a lot of innovation to appreciate, but in this day in age if you have ever heard a punk band, you've heard this one and it just feels played out when they aren't doing something different with it. With that being said, the music is well performed and never feels amateurish or sloppy despite how messy the genre usually is. Score: 5.5 Some good moments but overall not my thing Highlights: Reuters, Lowdown, The Commercial, Fragile, Mannequin, Feeling Called Love,

Love this album. Minimal punk perfection with a great dynamic range, from the repressed anger of Mannequin to the beautiful Strange. So different from its contemporaries, this album should be vaunted alongside the first Ramones effort for its succinct and focused energy. A masterpiece only surpassed by what came next from the band. 10 stars.

21 songs filled me with dread at first. 35 minutes later and it was all over. I played Pink Flag for a second time. Intelligent and dumb - exactly how I like my guitar music. I had no idea that REM's Strange was a Wire cover. This is the very decent album that Elastica never made.

Nice sound. This time I looked up some history about it, so I was better located while listening to it. I felt like listening to punk and post punk a bit more. I liked it but wasn't able to listen to the whole album before taking these notes.

Glanced at the tracklist, though it was another too long album... then heard it qnd wished it was longer. Im presuming that elastica paid them some royalties...

Zogezegd intelligente punk.

This was a fun punk listen.

p381, 1977. 3 stars Proto punk, surprisingly OK, not as raw as The Clash or Sex Pistols but suitably angry. Decent songs and playing. As with a lot of punk, you have to be in the right mood for it, and if you are then this is above average.

All over the place. From certified bangers™, to weird 30-second gibberish that can hardly be classified as music. Really not sure about this one - I thought I would enjoy it more than I did.

Nice UK style Punk Rock

Correct, jn album punk queje n’ai pas trippee. 2.75

Fine album, gets a bit stale after a while, but just your standard early punk album.

Sounds like generic punk to me. Including the annoying voice. No standout tracks. After seeing that the album got highest price from almost all critics I'm pretty sure I won't like any punk album ever.

I wish I had some really thoughtful, critical thing to say. All I can think is this is a damn fun album. Great great great!!!

This foot to the floor metal ain’t my thing… it’s just too 1D!

Always loved the cover for this, more than the record itself these days it seems.

Even if the songs weren't great (they are) it could be a 5 star album just for the amount of influence it's had on so many bands and artists that I enjoy. It's just all around great.

I had this album when it first came out. I didn't listen to it much then, and I can see why.

Some good punk rock that I was unaware of. Thanks!

Awesome, punchy, energetic punk album. Lots of short tracks.

Interesting.

It's was very punk

punk rock

True head bobbin' shit right here. Bunch of short, quick songs to put a pep in your goddamn step. Brit punk for the win.

s'alright eh? Prime UK punk era, which usually means at least good, but just didn't grab us. I dunno.

Yeah it was decent, nothing that I necessarily disliked but nothing that stood out to me as great. Just felt like kind of generic old-school punk rock.

Short songs. Lots of them. Enjoyed a few, wished some were a bit longer, but hey ho.

I feel like I'm playing Skate 3

not really a fan its like punk but in the underground sense, not the vibes

Enjoyed this one after never listening to The Wire in the past. Fun album. For being a post-punk progenitor I was slightly surprise on how "punk" this sounded. 4/5

know that people have a high feelings for wire but I just don't get this late 70s punk at all.

Didnt grab me, early punk. It was ok

it's good.

Not really listened to this one before and really enjoyed it. Early punk vibes.

I have heard of these folks, but I have not really liked the albums I have heard. This was a step up from the albums I have heard, fortunately. This punk album was okay, but every song was under 2 minutes with no bridge or chorus. The songs seemed very underdeveloped. Don't get me wrong, songs don't have to be long to be good. But these just seemed like germs of ideas, as if they had a riff but nothing else. The Clash had riffs. And they turned them into songs. There were verses and bridges and all the things a song needs to have, and some of them were pretty short, too. These just seem like... half-baked ideas.

Not bad. But it's a bit too frenetic with all the songs that are 1min or less (21 songs in 35min). Hard to get into anything or appreciate where their skills lie. Ex Lion Tamer and Reuters had a good sound. Mannequin was alright (seems to be their most notable song). Sounds like Elastica ripped off the main riff from Three Girl Rhumba for their song Connection (I like that riff). Champs and 12 x U had some good energy. Pink Flag sounded about a decade ahead of its time with its rough edge, yet needs more work. So again, not bad, but uneven.

Fun punk album - some really good songs but as an album unremarkable

One of my favorite albums of all time. "Mannequin" was my most-played Spotify song this year (2021). This is the album that got me into punk music. The concept of this album is a suite of 21 minimalistic tracks that come and go in a span of just over a half hour. You just get a taste of each track, each unique idea, before moving on to the next. Album starts off with a memorable and exciting build up in "Reuters" that explodes in punk madness. I love the madness in the verses (both the vocals and the distressing apocalyptic description) followed by the chorus and the melodic screaming repetition of the word "rape" that slowly mellows off. Next track, "Field Day" demonstrates one of my favorite punk techniques. Burst of explosion for 4 seconds then STOP. Explode again for 4 seconds then again stop. Happens two more times then boom next track already. Not sure who invented this, maybe the Sex Pistols, but the "fuck this let's start over" attitude is all over this album. Things like this make each of these tracks, no matter how short, memorable. "Three Girl Rhumba" starts off with a memorable yet reptitive riff, and continues with the same riff the whole track, except when it deters randomly twice in the middle then at the end. It's so unexpected and surprising. Love the "go underrrr" at the end. Invites the audience to sing along even for just a brief moment. "Ex Lion Tamer" one of the best songs, complete and lengthy. Kicks off at 12 seconds, explodes at 24 for the chorus, starts over at 48 in a perfect transition, only to do the exact same thing one more time before extending that ending for another minute. I love that technique where they repeat the melody and one lyric, like "Stay glued to your TV set" with the back vocals but change the loudness and tone, throwing in some grunts, before ending it with a satisfying decelerated conclusion. Same reason why I liked the end of "Three Girl Rhumba," and a theme we'll see again many times. "Lowdown" is the easiest to hear the very punk lyrics. Another thing I noticed is the grunge-like bass. Not sure if there's any connection to the later movement or how common it was in punk, but it really sticks out here. That halfway break following "That smell of you" is orgasmic. Then there's the other type of ending I love. Also repetitive with the same melody and lyric, but less spooky and more energetic, usually ending so suddenly before starting the next track. "Start to Move" and "Brazil" are examples of this. Still invites me to join in and burst out. "Surgeon's Girl" is my favorite of the <90 second tracks. Love how they make fun of their mumbling vocals by diverging the "go insane" into something intentionally incomprehensible. Reminds me how they often sing so much it's hard to sing along, so this gives me an excuse to just go "yayayayayayayaya." "Pink Flag" closes off the first side, with the same type of build-up intro as "Reuters." My god that when they start going "How many dead or alive" and it devolves into intense chaotic screaming, dying down only to build up again, die down then one last yell. Intense and the perfect way to wrap up the first side. An instrumental piece bridges the two sides. "Straight Line" continues the themes I love. "106 Beats That" is the first of a string of more avant-garde tracks that could be labelled as post-punk. Starts off lofi and abrasive, almost like later hardcore but not as aggressive. Then it gets weird and spooky near the middle with the use of ever increasing synths and fuzzy guitars, ending before it gets any stranger. "Mr Suit" is my other favorite short track, absolutely love the fuck you lyrics. Then we jump into our second post-punk track. A more complete piece, this sounds like something straight off their next album "Chairs Missing" (which is a crime not being on this list). Spooky and atmospheric, perfect for any Halloween playlist. Love the clinking at the end. "Fragile" is another strange one, jangly and could fool people as an alt rock track of the 80s. Stands out like their masterpiece "Outdoor Miner" in their next album. Years ahead of the scene... I guess you could call this post-punk, but it's not very punk at all besides the "fragile" vocals. "Mannequin" is my favorite song off the album. Another post-punk entry, it's the most melodic of the songs, with a perfect bridge, a lovely three part harmony, savage lyrics, with an accompanying vibrant sound. Next three tracks are good. The album ends with the highlight "12XU" which has my favorite bass, ending on a satisfying note. This album is a unique experience with nothing like it, yet parodoxically is a perfect introduction to get people into punk or post-punk, perfectly utilizing an agglomeration of techniques only found in punk-like music. This is also the most accessible of their albums. You can instantly fall in love after just one or two listens. Even the weaker tracks one can grow to appreciate. Highly influential and with nothing bad to say, it not only goes down as a 5 star rating, but as one of my favorite albums of all time.

A good call to arms punk style record

It’s a punk rock album that shows signs or early hard rock. None of the songs really seem that special. It was a quick album that went by and flowed well. Just nothing there that seemed worth coming back to. 3.6/10

Standard shouty punk. 21 tracks in half an hour makes it feel longer than it is.

Super fun record somewhere between punk and post-punk. Just a tight set of songs, in, punk, out. Favorite tracks: "Three Girl Rhumba", "Ex Lion Tamer", "Lowdown", "Strange"

Punk-rock setentero. En media hora te tocan más de 20 canciones...

Three Girl Rhumba (2006 Remastered Version), comienza igual que la canción de Elastica.

21 wonderful songs in 35 minutes… What an amazing journey!

Very consistent punk album.

I don't like postpunk nor punk rock.

Fast snappy British punk, can still hear the influences today

Люблю такое, но без хайлайтов

Pure punk!

Loved it

I like it when music that falls generally somewhere in the very broad "punk" category has some groove to it, and this band brings it nicely. I appreciate punk mostly for its cultural significance and influence on other genres of music, but I don't listen to a lot of it because it's often just too harsh for me. (Related to the same part of my DNA that likes spicy food on the medium, not hot, scale? I have no idea.) Some songs are little screechy for me, but overall, I like this album. I had not heard of the band or heard any of their music, but, wow, I can absolutely hear how their sound influenced a lot bands to follow. For example, I read in the Wikipedia entry (the one on the band itself, not this album) that The Feelies, one of my favorite bands (man, I just love 'The Good Earth' and still listen to it), regularly cover one of their songs in live shows. I hear the similarities. So cool. So, Yes, I like this album and some of the tracks really stuck out for me, like "Reuters," "Ex Lion Tamer," and "Mannequin." "Fragile" might be my favorite. And the brief track, "The Commercial," is really fun.

3/5 Not really bad.

El Punk es esto. 21 canciones en 35 minutos y 36 segundos. No los conocía de nada y tienen cosas buenas. Se nota que han influenciado a mucha gente desde que debutaron con este disco en 1977. Me gustaron: Three girl rhumba, Ex lion tamer, Start to move, Mannequin y Different to me.

Meh. I've heard better punk albums.

Why has no one told me to listen to this album before? It feels so ahead of its time, and it keeps getting better as the album goes. One of the early masterpieces of punk 5/5

Yes enjoyed it a lot good old fashioned early punk. Never really heard them before so a great discovery

Solid. Never a bad time for this album. I love the guitar tones on it.

Puro punk fino.

Me enfadó pronto

Very, very good. I've listened to it roughly twice now. I feel like there's a lot going on in this cluster of little nuggets. No song outstays its welcome; in fact, some would be welcome to stay a little longer. But that's the point, I suppose. These are finely polished little gems - it takes a lot of buffing to make these gems sound so unpolished.

Deconstructing punk almost as soon as it's born is cool. Manufacturing said de-punk brand as ready made detritus is art school cool. Doing it all without melody or groove is high stakes. A few times here the payoff is exponential, a bunch more it's handsome, but a few too many you don't leave the bookies with much more than you walked in with.

34. Pink Flag - Wire 21 tracks. I say 21 tracks, but 6 of them are under 1 min long so the whole album is still only 35 mins and it works by keeping you interested & engaged with no time to be bored and switch off. Decent. 3/5

Definitely bridges that gap between punk rock and the beginnings of New Wave. It's good shit.

really good racket

Une série d'interludes punk aussi insupportables que ceux des Minutemerdes. Je savais toutefois à quoi m'attendre puisque les noms de groupes constitués d'une couleur et du mot flag s'inscrivent tous dans ce style musical considéré par les gens intelligents comme un errement dans l'histoire du quatrième art.

Bien essayé de la part des Minutemerde mais la couverture ne prend pas, ils sont très facilement reconnus et jugés comme il se doit. 2/5, et qu'on ne les y reprenne plus.

pretty solid, good funk

Personally loved it. Some good punk vibes, a few dope songs I will listen to again. Worked well with my poopy butt

shouty noisy never plan to listen to again

This is one of those albums where the context matters: an angular, low-fi punk album from 1977 that was a little ahead of its time. Fun listen.

Engelse punk. Ik vind het wel iets hebben. Heb misschien wel een geheim zwakte voor dit soort schreeuwerige muziek. Zit lekker veel energie in. Verder is het ook weer niet heel bijzonder. ***

Mi stavano piacendo. Ma alla fine pure essendo un album breve con canzoni anche di 40 secondi, l'ho trovato un po' troppo fine a se stesso. Pur riconoscendo che hanno un suono punk che mi piace, forse quello migliore che ho ascoltato finora, alla fine non mi hanno convinto. Peccato! 2

Mai sentito questi Wire prima. Non ho molto da dire, non si distinguono particolarmente dai loro compari punkettoni contemporanei. Sarebbero potuti essere tranquillamente i Clash. Stavo per dire che apprezzo certe cose di chitarra che suonano un po' punk moderno ma poi ho realizzato che è semplicemente che il punk moderno non è che si sia particolarmente innovato (Punk is dead!!). Direi come i Clash dò 2 perché comunque il punk deve essere questo e alla fine me lo so sentito anche se sono stati 37 minuti un po' lunghi.

meh... classic shitty punk.

Old school punk, nothing special or interesting

loud noises

Grungy/crusty early brit punk, pretty unremarkable. Lots of short songs with similar tempos.

It was alright. Not a genre I would seek out again so a low 3*

Grew on me over the weekend.

Punk classic, so influential, and doesn't diminish with time.

Timeless - wouldn't have placed this in the 70s

In the 70s everyone had a band...

LOOOOVE IT! Great punk album

Excellent. Shades of early Talking Heads mixed with Television.

A more polished late 70's punk album. Akin to what Green Day did for late 80's punk. I'm happy I listened to it, but I probably won't again. That's probably the source of the divide between its critical success vs its commercial success.

Albums like this remind me how harsh the music business can be. These guys have a decent sound and easily piqued my interest. They are not following a neat and tidy roadmap that was set out for them. The album was released in 1977 so the roadmap wasn't yet written. Sure they're not in the same league as Talking Heads, The Clash, et al but they should have sold a few more albums and I should have at least heard of them.  Tough business.

It was hard to get a good listen because my co- judge kept turning the stereo off whenever I put it on. I know that they were influential and quite revered at CKCU in the 80s. I think that thrashy fast numbers would have been predecessors to American punk like Black Flag, which I despise, and then the more melodic (longer like more than 90 second) numbers may have influenced bands like XTC. But they didn’t seem to me much of an influence on themselves. They took a real left turn on the LP after this one and actually hired a cover band to open for them and play songs from this album!

Pretty raw Brit Punk/Indie that sounds all the same so by the fourth song I was getting bored. Would it kill them to throw a bit of variety in there?

This 3 chord British punk is just not my jam. I guess it has a historical place, but I just don’t really love it

21 biisiä ja 35min kesto, siitä pisteet.

Peruspunkkia, onneks oli lyhyt levy ku ei mitään kovin ihmeellistä tarjonnu

The band sounds the best when it goes to the darker realms of post-punk and alternative. Reuters and Pink Flag are the best from the first side.

Loved jt

Definitely needed to be in 1001 Albums with the amount of influence this album has had on punk rock. Also it slays.

вообще интересно, вроде как панкуха и панкуха, продукт своего времени, но в музыке и даже в самом звучании инструментов услышал очень много того, что потом станет мейнстримов среди альтернативного рока 90-х. Прямо чувствуется влияние на такие группы как Pavement, Sonic Youth, а уж Guided by Voices так и вовсе то же самое, только бантик сбоку - такие же одноминутные песни, даже зарисовки песен скорее, качевые перегруженные вступления, весёлые крики. По факту это не сильно-то и похоже на первую волну панка, уже и душевности какой-то подвезли, и меланхолии, и даже гиковства как будто. В общем, разрезе того, что указал выше - заебись, умеют, могут, отцы. Но всё же если рассматривать релиз в вакууме, без респекта за влияние - ну особо выделить нечего, честно говоря. 21 черновик песен (длительность альбома 35 минут), иногда прям ваще заебись, хочется чтоб продолжалось, а оно уже всё. Так что как-то печально немного, потанцевал не раскрыт будто. Впрочем, это всё равно круче 90% тогдашнего панка, как по мне - прям чувствуется, что чуваки щупали в темноте, как бы разнообразить всю эту примитивную сцену. Ну за усилия 7/10 заслуживают, пожалуй, а также за следующие песни: Лучшин песни: Reuters, Ex Lion Tamer, Lowdown (тут музыка ваще збс, шёл под неё на беговой дорожке как широкий путин по коридору), Pink Flag (кайф, кайф), Strange, Fragile, Mannequin (лучшая песня, наверное). Не зашло: да нечего выделить, тут всё плюс-минус равномерно, разве что совсем короткие номера, типа Field Day for the Sundays и Brazil не зашли

Punk is always great. End of review.

Good solid punk rock. 3 stars.

Really enjoyed this, liked the short songs and the dirty guitars. My favorite tracks were "Pink Flag" and "Strange." Interested to hear more of this band now.

Discovered this one in college and was a favorite among friends and roommates. Wish punk on the whole sounded more like this than say The Ramones or The Sex Pistols. So many ideas crammed into such a tight space. Love the way it moves along. So efficient and refined in it's execution. No fat to be trimmed here. Many songs are short but all completely satisfy. Art-punk at its finest. The song "Strange" is in my musical spank bank. The album leaves me wanting more.

I like it, but don’t love it. 3.5

Raw as they come

With (among much more) the guitar sound of grunge and the brevity of hardcore, it takes a special kind of ingenuity to make a punk album that sounds like this in 1977

Great tunes!

Ugh a 2.5 I guess. Some of the music was really good and ahead of it's time. Some was just screamy and mumbly and annoying. Nothing memorable lyrically. At least the songs were short but that doesn't speak well too the quality of the album.

3, it was pretty good! I wasn't familiar with them before this.

New band and new music for me. I'm curious as to where this album fits with punk and the rest of the music scene at the time of it's release. There wasn't anything that stood out in particular to me, good or bad. With some of the tracks being so short, I may need to listen again just to make sure I heard everything.

Good. I usually don't enjoy punk, but this album was very enjoyable. I also really like the album art.

oof I mean I spent a WHILE with this album probably listened 4 or 5 times because I felt like I wasn't giving it justice with background listening but damn its just kinda there Saved: Lowdown*

Saved Prior: None Off Rip: Three Girl Rhumba, Surgeon's Girl Cutting Edge: None Overall Notes: This is somehow super basic yet super erudite I don't know quite how to explain it. I appreciate that they were in and out before it hit 40 minutes though. I don't even know if you can call these songs man it's just riff riff riff. I wave the pink flag on this one. Good on Elastica for yoinking the riff to Three Girl Rhumba and making an actual song out of it, more bands should do that with these short ass 'songs'. 2.5 rounded down.

Not my thing. Kinda neat hearing "Three Girl Rhumba" and how clear it was plagiarized by Elastica on "Connection". I remember learning about that but had forgotten who was the original artist. When that song came on I thought it was playing the Elastica song.

I enjoy reading the wiki entries on each of the albums and this one was a good one that reinforced why this album stands out from the rest of the random late 70s to mid 80s British bands that have an entry on this list. tldr; “Richard Hell but good. See Black Flag, Robert Pollard, and Franz Ferdinand”

A thoroughly bitching album. The rockier tracks have shades of The Black Keys, while the punk tracks are pure Ramones and Minutemen. I like my punk musicians to be... actually able to play music, so this album was a real treat.

Excellent, zips along, nothing outstays it's welcome.

“Pink Flag” by Wire (1977) If music can be compared to a meal, this album provides a 21-course repast, spicy and varied, inviting and adventurous. Of mixed quality, yet in small servings, these dishes are paced rapidly enough to sustain interest. Twenty one underdeveloped songs in thirty five minutes. Whew. Now I need to breathe deeply and maybe smoke a cigar or take a walk. There is an interesting lyrical preoccupation with numbers, perhaps giving meaning to the title track, “Pink Flag”, asking “how many dead or alive?”. Since this track and “Strange” are the longest tracks on the album, one suspects that there is an anxious expression of concern about what the hell is going on in this most lethal century in human history. It’s an attractive anxiety. Melodies are minimalist or lacking altogether. The chief musical aim seems to be the display of a dizzying variety of rhythm guitar sonic textures and grooves, with a heavy use of effects. Lyrics, vocals, and rhythm section are all relegated to a secondary, supportive function. Punk vocal stylings are, well, punk. And not good punk at that. This ain’t Henry Rollins. But this album is definitely worth a listen or two, if only to experience some of the entrancing things that can be done with simple barre chords on an electric guitar, even without a high level of physical dexterity. 3/5

Really intense harmonics and likable sound from a punk-band. Short tracks that not all sound the same. (7/10) Favorite Tracks: Mannequin, 12xU, Three Girl Rhumba

A very quick album to get through, reasonably simple punk rock but kept me mostly interested.

instrumentals are rockin, but what the fuck is dude saying

kinda neat, not notable though

Vocals are a little hard to listen to, mumble-y and annoying sometimes, but I enjoy the instrumentals. The vibe is kinda cool but for the most part I think they're just generic

Actually pretty listenable, rocky sound

Amazing. True punk. Can hear all the influence on music through the decades. Catchy, long, short. Has it all. Three Girl Rhumba stopped me and my jaw dropped. Had no idea where that riff came from. Loved Field Day for the Sundays. Totally content with a 28 second song. Damn, how amazing.

4.5/5, but here it's a 5/5

Certainly not the kind of music I listen to normally, but I actually found it somewhat enjoyable for what it was.

Pink flag is definitely a cool album. It’s definitely groundbreaking, ahead of its time and tight. I just got a bit bored with a lot of its songs.

Mostly forgettable, with a few bright spots. But not enough to make it worth repeated listening.

songs are short but sweet with frequent changes in pace. album has more tracks than you'd typically see from the 70s and 80s. songs themselves aren't very unique, pretty typical for underground punk rock. got a little bored around the 10th song.

Very cool album throughout, definitely had some bangers and flowed pretty well. If i had any complaints about it, i think the songs could be longer

Usually don’t like punk at all really, but this album was a more subtle punk ting so I didn’t hate it. I might be wrong but wasn’t 1977 really early for punk? Maybe this album inspired/paved the way for punk? Maybe a 2.5 star for me cus I’d be more likely to put the previous Hendrix album on instead of this but it’s pretty good as far as punk goes tbh

Distinctive sound, terrible name. Green Day long before Green Day. With an average track of just over 100 seconds I can imagine a really tight fast set back in the day. No long intros here, just short, sharp, shock. The sound of the 70’s.

I listened to the album but cant remember listening to it. Every song sounded the same (which wasnt a bad thing) I dont think its a bad album by any means, but definitely not one that ill remember by next week

I've never heard an album like this with many short songs one after the other. I had this on in the background while doing some chores and it passed me by without catching my attention in a negative or a positive way.

Not bad, kinda fun

It's punk. Loud and free.

Great jams and riffs, one transition actually made me laugh out loud. Fun stuff!

This isn't something I'd care to listen to normally. Kinda punk rock. Really not feeling this album at all. It's boring. I cannot wait for this to be over. Oh my god there are 21 songs. At least they're short. THANK GOD IT'S OVER.

I enjoyed this punk album. Reminds me of playing Tony Hawk pro skater

Reminded me of every Brisbane punk rock band that exists right now. Cool seeing the influence come through.

It's OK.