Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness

This album could have been a lot better if they had poured more time into enhancing a smaller number of stronger songs rather than giving full attention and resources to 2 hours of music. None of the songs are necessarily bad, but you can pick out multiple on the album that they could have done without as they sound incredibly similar to another or more. Generally, length of an album shouldn’t be a factor when rating, but when the run time is over double what a typical record would entail, one must question if all that extra noise was needed. Lyrics, production, and instrumentation are great. Vocals could get a little stale at times given the lack if range. Still a fantastic album, but it could have been a whole lot more fantastic. 4/5

one of the best albums fr. wooooow

Too much filler.

Long sad angsty album, very good

Tellement de classiques sur cet album. Pour moi c’est inimitable. Je suis peut-être influencée par mon âge, mais je m’assume

I haven’t been super into these guys but I feel a little more positive to em after this it’s just not my style tho

Damn I love this album but fuck it’s long.

Never have gone through and listened to the whole thing. Quite a few good songs on here.

Yikes, 2 full hours. It contains a few good tunes, but there are a lot that seem more like the lead singer needs to stop smoking before he loses his voice.

I've listened to a lot of this before, but never the whole thing. Especially not in one sitting. A few pretty good songs on here.

I mean, what is there to say. Such an excellent album. It wears on just a little bit too long for me, but the diversity of the instrumentation and feel of each song makes it work. Favorite track: An Ode to No One

this album has enough good songs to be a 4/5 it's too damn long and unorganized and the love songs suck. at times i was genuinely emotionally moved (to forgive, 1979 is still THE song), other times it went hard af (zero, bullet with butterfly wings).

really enjoyed the different styles. reminded me of some radiohead and indie rock. there were definitely some takes that were way harder than i was expecting but this album is really packed. highlights involve 1979, porcelina of vast oceans, zero, etc.

This would have been a solid middle of the road album, if a bit CW teen drama background music-y, but there was no reason this should have been a 28 song album and over two hours long. Instead it became extremely boring and one-note and I resented it's length. Cool album title though!

Ugh, I just cant stand Billy Corgan for more than 1 song in a row. 2 hours of him singing was an extremely painful experience. I do like the instrumental but his voice just ruins it.

Instrumentally fantastic. Billy Corgan is an incredibly polarizing vocalist, one which I can only handle in small doses. I can listen to a song or two of Smashing Pumpkins and be done, so it’s hard to rate this album any higher than a 3.

I'm generally not big on long-ass double albums, but this thing is a masterpiece. I can hear the influences all over modern emo, indie and alt rock.

A rare 2hr+ sebum that manages to keep my attention and not lose it f9r the VAST majority is an absolute oddity, and here, Billy Corgan, iowner of the NWA, and the rest of his clearly fiercely talented bandmates del8ver harder than i ever expected. I knew I liked the Pumpkins' singles a good vit, but I never really knew how much 9f just l8ie THEM. Woulda been a 4.5 if half stars were an option, but I'm rounding up cuz rounding down feels wrong.

Siamese Dream couldn't be on this list? It had to be the 2 hour album? Anyway ... Haven't listened to this album in at least 25 years, so this was kind it a trip. Holds up surprisingly well, though it definitely could've been trimmed down a little bit (why does "Beautiful" need to be on here?). Would be 3.5 stars if I was allowed to give half stars.

не мои ребята - ни жанр, ни вокал. не могу вспомнить какие-то треки которые в принципе из творчества нравились

Way too many songs to get through but it was great. The vocals aren’t my favorite

One of the best of the 1990s!

This album deserves to be listened to simply because the scale of the projected and how the sound Billy Corgan was attempting to create differed from the grunge movement that had almost died at this point. This album showed growth in the Pumpkins sound, but my God, it's long. I can't help but think if it were a single album then it would get a higher rating. The scale is what differs it from other albums, yet also what causes this album to drag a bit in the middle from bloat.

The scope of this album is incredible. It contains some of the heaviest, grungiest, downright filthiest guitar music committed to record (ably backed by one of rock’s best drummers, Mr Jimmy Chamberlin), side-by-side with some of the quietest and most delicate. Then somewhere in between you’ve got masterpieces like Tonight Tonight and 1979, and underrated bangers like Love. It’s probably important to factor in that Billy Corgan explicitly said it was aimed at 14-24 year olds (y’know, the age when people still feel feelings) and I for one vividly remember many angsty teenage nights soundtracked by Bullet With Butterfly Wings or Bodies. It’s 2 hours long, so there’s obviously gonna be some flab (mainly towards the end of disc 2) but I don’t think condensing it was ever an option - this was always intended to be a grand, sprawling opus. 4.5. But yeah, I’ll round up. The highs are so high, and the lows aren’t really that low, so I think sheer force of ambition wins out over perfection here.

Жёсткая долбёжка, носовой вокал, не очень люблю такое. Но в своем жанре альбом качественный. По факту скорее 2.5, чем 3, 0.5, скажем за красивую обложку.

скучно, долго, перебор

Ура, эмоциональные качели от подборки музыки! После дико веселого Rio сразу слушать альт/эмо/гранж рок странновато) На самом деле какие-то очень двойственные ощущения: с одной стороны злость и ярость как у OffSpring и Nine Inch Nails (жду этих гигантов!), с другой стороны тексты очень меланхоличные как у Radiohead,Pink Floyd и The Cure. Как альбом - приятно, интересно. Как отдельные треки - не слишком сильно зацепило как-то. Лучшее описание для меня: злые Cure на спидах и адреналине. Че послушать: Bullet with Butterfly Wings,Dawn to Dusk, 1979 Оценка на деле: 3.5-4-

2 часа... вы там что, совсем ебанулись? Жанр определён как гранж. Но на контрасте с Ten я вообще не понимаю, как это можно слушать... Меня кажется в этом альбоме бесит почти всё: начиная от его, как мне кажется, неоправданной длины, заканчивая странным использованием тремоло в нескольких песнях. Причём, я понимаю, если бы альбом был целиком таким "тяжёлым" по звуку, но нет. Каким-то образом там затесались и акустические композиции (Take me Down, Stumblein или Farewell and Goodnight, например), как ни странно - неплохие. А ещё как-то голос вокалиста - ну прям совсем меее... Когда он срывается в хрип, это становится слушать просто невозможно, абсолютно. Я не могу сказать, что я как-то с отвращением отношусь к тяжёлой музыке; мне, допустим, Black Sabbath нравятся. Но The Smashing Pumpkin вообще не произвели на меня впечатление группы, которую я хоть раз ещё послушаю. Этот альбом - точно. 2/5 за неплохие акустические треки. Забавно кстати, что самый прослушиваемый трек (1979) звучит вообще не так, как бОльшая масса песен с альбома, наоборот, он вообще больше на поп-рок шлягер похож. За него тоже можно поставить плюсик и не опускать оценку до 1. P.S. Посмотрел другие отзывы об альбоме, там оказывается, ещё и с текстами есть большие проблемы...)

А я даже хз что написать. Середина альбома хорошая, в начале вообще 1 хотел ставить. Не мое

Schizophrenia

long. but pretty good.

There are some bangers on here but you know the rules…way too much Smashing Pumpkins here for this reviewer

An eclectic mix of 90s rock sounds. Sometimes it's generic 90s rock, sometimes it sounds grungy, sometimes it sounds like proto-pop punk, sometimes it goes into nu-metal. It's always pretty interesting. I like that Billy Corrigan doesn't have what you'd call a traditionally "good" singing voice. But that doesn't stop him! He hits all the right notes, and he sings with confidence, and that more than makes up for having such an odd timber. But for the love of god why is it over two hours??!? This should truly be a 3.5 or even slightly higher, but compared to my last few days of excellent albums, I really cannot round up to the 4. Plus I refuse to give such a long album a pass!

Was on my list to relisten for a while. I'm giving it two stars because it is very front loaded and then just seems to drag on for an extra hour. 1 hour is very solid though.

3.6 + Ugh, I've had a love/hate relationship with this record since it came out. SP was my first love, and I fell hard for their "Siamese Dream" sound, that blend of neo-psychedelia, chamber/dream rock that was swirling with loving flourescence. Billy Corgan was a long-haired flower child with a breathy, angelic voice tinged with just enough acrid edge. With "Mellon Collie", Corgan became a bald-headed vampire and the music took a much darker and uglier turn. Almost thirty years later, my opinion is still tinged by a sense of disappointment. I still think much of this record isn't very good. Some songs should have never left Corgan's notebook ("We Only Come Out At Night"). Others would've better served alongside a vast catalog of B-sides ("Galapagos"). And of the hundreds of times I've listened to this record, I've probably listened to "Tales of a Scorched Earth" all of three times (still sucks). Despite all of this, I admire Corgan and the Pumpkins for pulling off what felt like a coup at the time, a true flex on all their haters. The amount of music and the breadth of genres here is truly staggering. To pull this all off, they underwent some months of brutally intense, assembly-line recording sessions. Looking back, I wonder if Corgan miscalculated. Being on top of the world, I can understand an ambition to maintain one's eminence. But given the band's impending implosion shortly following the recording and promoting of this record, it's clear that that unchecked ambition destroyed what could've been a gentler dally with fame. What could've been if they had focused on the 13 good songs on here, and worked them over obsessively as they had on "Siamese Dream"?

PREFS : Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, Tonight, Tonight, Zero, Here is no Why, Bullet With Butterfly Wings, Fuck You (an Ode to No One), Love, Cupid de Locke, Galapogos, Muzzle, Porcelina of the Vast Oceans, Where Boys Fear to Tread, Bodies, Thirty-Three, In the Arms of Sleep, 1979, Thru the Eyes of Ruby, X.Y.U., We Only Come Out at Night, Beautiful, By Starlight MOINS PREF : Jellybelly

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Could be phenomenal with a bit of quality control and a single album

for a 90s classic, it actually holds up to the test of time. big kicks, swelling melodies, gives the best of both worlds. catchy, quick riffage, great guitar tones. his screaching is visceral. this is an album that deserves its place on the mountain top. even if corgan is a clown. bless iha.

-Woah "Jellybelly" comes out of nowhere being heavy after 2 calm tracks to start the album. Just a totally sludgy guitar throughout the whole thing. Then the end jam has the drums blazing and the guitar squealing and ripping -"Zero" is quite the jam. I like the start-stop stuff -Hey "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" has the famous "despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" -"An Ode To No One" is nice and heavy. It jumps between calmer and full blast guitar and drums. Very cool -"Muzzle" is a solid track that I missed on my first listen -"Tales Of A Scorched Earth" is crazy and the vocal effect/screaming is pretty intense -"Thru The Eyes Of Ruby" is heavy and a long tune -"X.Y.U." picks up into like the craziest punk song ever -Important critiques: "Zero" is not the zeroth song on the album, "Thirty-Three" is not the thirty-third song on the album, and "1979" is not the one thousand, nine hundred seventy-ninth song on the album. -Somes songs I loved, but some chunks seemed to get too mellow for me, and with the album being so long it is hard to get a good concept of the whole thing without spending a ton of time with it. I preferred the heavier tracks, particularly "Jellybelly," "Zero," "Bullet With Butterfly Wings," "An Ode To No One," "Tales Of A Scorched Earth," "Thru The Eyes Of Ruby," and "X.Y.U.." -With how strong those heavy tracks are, I find it likely that I could come to like a lot of the tracks that are mellower or even just not at full-throttle intensity. I think I will give it the benefit of the doubt on the many mellower seeming songs and give it a 4, on the expectation that the album will grow on me in the future (ie "Zero" and "Tonight, Tonight"grew on me on a second pass)

This album is very long. The Pope is Catholic. It's good music, but my ADHD brain absolutely refuses to pay attention to a single piece of media (music or otherwise) for 2 hours straight. You could cut this album down so much, because it's so insanely bloated that even The White Album is quaking in its boots. The entire second disc is just the first disc again with different lyrics. Good thing the first disc is so great, otherwise this would have been completely unbearable. Quick! Name any lyric from the song "Stumbleine"! Okay what about "The Two Of Us"? ... Jokes on you, that's a Suede song and not on this album! "Tonight, Tonight", "Bullet With Butterfly Wings", "Jellybelly" and "Zero" are the obvious highlights and they're all in the first 20 minutes. Then Billy Corgan rambles about dropping his sandwich into a sewer drain for an hour or something while doing his iconic "yelling but also trying to not wake up your parents" voice and the next big hit is "1979" and you can officially turn the album off, because no new ideas occur after that point. Has anybody ever said that this album is really long before? I feel like an innovator here, truly full of new ideas and funny quips. My body is ready for "69 Love Songs". Lay it on me.

I liked two songs on the this. The rest meh.

An excess of filler and hubristic ambition overweight proceedings here, as the title alone tips off. The quiet-loud dynamic reaches its breaking point here. There is overreaching on both ends of the spectrum – too much rage/fury too quickly contrasted with too much cloying/lullaby-ness leads to unevenness in extremis. When they are well balanced ("Tonight Tonight," "By Starlight") the sweeter/slower/more melodious cuts are vastly superior to the metallic posturings and faux Nine Inch Nonsense. A skilled melodist, Billy C is an overrated lyricist; "despite all my rage/I'm still just a rat in a cage" is high-school literary magazine territory, hooky and rage-y as it is. And the record is overlong, too. Yes, there's a lot to like, but also a lot to overlook -- so much on both sides of that ledger equates to much too much overall.

Eihän tää Pumpkinsien pras levy ole (Siamese Dream on), mutta koska olin teininä maailman suurin Pumpkins-fani, vietin käsittämättömän monta tuntia elämässäni Pumpkinsin nettiviestialustalla (mikä on message board suomeksi?) ja suurin osa ystävistäni ja heiloistani on tavattu bändin kautta tai takia, siksi 5. Plus yhä edelleen osaan levyn ulkoa ja takaperin ja unissani. Oi, teini-ikä.

This is a bit of a sprawl. It is also a release that shows why double albums are so tricky, and so few are truly great. This one just misses the bar. It is very good. Tonight, Tonight and 1979 are still wonderful, but there are tracks (among the 28) like Bullet With Butterfly Wings that miss the mark for me.

This is a tough one for me to rate. The styles on this record really span the entire spectrum from softer, sweet ballads to thunderous heavy metal. This is also an album, where I knew a surprising number of songs without having any idea of the titles. I'd give this a 3.5 if possible but rounding up to 4 for Bullet with Butterfly Wings (a song I've heard a million times but no clue what the title actually was.)

Having only one day with this album was tough. It’s soo long. There are definitely a few good songs on here but I think lots of it could have been cut or this could have been two or three different albums. The vocals sounded really low in the mix which I found interesting. Almost like he was trying to hide. I feel bad only giving it a 3 without feeling like I gave it a full chance but I also don’t really feel any desire to hear any of it again asides from 1979.

A masterful double album. A masterclass in weaving between heavy and tender. And so many hits!

I forgot how much I love this album. There are some weird tracks but overall so good. My favorites are all the hits, but I forgot about X.Y.U. I love that song!

A little too crunchy for some at times, but so great. They've never come close to this ever since. There are 28 full tracks, 2 hours and maybe 4-5 stinkers, so I'll give them a pass on those and call this the honor roll it is.

9/10, de mis albumes favs. seria 10/10 facil si no durara 2 hrs

Alot of good songs, but the album was like 2 hours long

I said for the other Smashing Pumpkins album that it was the blandest of the bland. This was a little more interesting but fucking christ did this need to be 2 hours long? If you're going to release a 2 hour every song better be a fucking banger and worth it. Absolutely not here. It's 80 minutes too long and someone needed to tell Corgan to cut shit out. If you made it a 40-50 minute album I'd be happier but given how long it is I dislike it a lot. I hate long albums, especially albums with tons of filler, which this album has in spades. Seriously it feels like every other song was a B-side or something. Because of that I have to rate it lower.

too long

:(

Man, it seems cliche to like this album, but it's still really good. Super enjoyed it.

Great album, ambitious and full of bangers. 1979 is a favorite of mine. It’s a bit long and I’m not the biggest fan of the style the vocalist sings in, but still, so many great songs.

some good songs but way too long

Some of my favorite songs ever are on this album. But there are like 15 other songs that kind of suck. How do I balance that? Ugg

Done this one before, but here's the review I did last time: I had this on cassette at the time. I know it has about 5 of my favourite songs of all time on it. I remember skipping a lot of it as an 11 year old though, so I don't actually know if it is a good album. The joy is I love or really like the first 10 tracks, and it's only at Galapagos that it starts to lull at all - and even then, it's an okay song. If they had stopped at track 10, they would have made a classic album already. I'd add it's also an ambitious one. If they had stuck to their lane, Bullet With Butterfly Wings and Zero would make it a classic up there with Siamese Dream. But the gentle piano intro and Tonight Tonight show that they were trying to go bigger and more wide-screen here. However, at this middle point I can see the second half of an album looming with not much I know there, and I am unsure they can sustain the pace here - though with 1979 to look forward to, it may still be okay! Honestly, the second half lags a bit compared to the first, but still contains 33, 1979, and We Only Come Out at Night. If this had been a single album, or even a 20 track double album, it'd be revered. And frankly, I can't blame it for its ambition. Very few albums ever have this much quality on them, it's getting five stars in spite of its flaws, as I'd give Sign O The Times and the White Album the same courtesy.

Tonight tonight

even if it doesn’t always work i respect the ambition

Tonight tonight’s left me in tears, thanks to this i have found a new favorite song for the rest of my life. This album is incredible full of emotion that fits well during a specific time of your life. I hope things get better and that one day I will look back at this album and remember all these confusing emotions as a part of the distant past. Things will get better with time, im sure of it. 5 stars

After multiple listens, I have to recant and say that I was wrong in my teens. This was a really solid album, filled with varied compositions. Corgan’s voice has grown on me after a few deep listens and I now understand that his singing isn’t my usual cup of tea, but is still great

Incredible album with a bunch of bangers in "Bullet with Butterfly Wings", "Zero", and "Tonight, Tonight". 9/10

There are some great songs on here, but it’s too bloated. Edit it down and you might get a solid five star

You mean all four songs I really love from the Smashing Pumpkins are all on one magical album? Neat! Oh, wait, you mean this is basically like listening to three whole albums in a row that have about one hit each? Hmmm. There's a lot of nineties rage to get through. "Tales of a Scorched Earth" nearly made me give up, but I was happy to get to the autoharp on "We Only Come Out at Night". I do appreciate and like the varied styles in this, especially regarding said hits, which each sound very different from each other. Billy Corgan has an awesome, distinctive voice, but by the end I'd quite had enough.

I really enjoyed the first couple of tracks...then it just turned into an unrewarding task to listen to the end. An isolated bright spot here or there, but otherwise mostly uninteresting to me. I recall being intrigued by the sounds of the singles released from this album, but I would not have enjoyed the entire album then and still don't

I wasn't looking forward to 2 hours of the Smashing Pumpkins. I remember kind of disliking them in the 90s. Based on what? I do not know. So there was a lot of music here and I only had time to listen once but I really really liked it. I think I'd like to narrow it down to about 10 songs instead of 28 but I really really like those 10.

I love the album cover. The runtime of this album was a little intimidating. Fortunately, the first two songs’ cinematic quality with the piano and orchestra disarmed me. Perhaps the two hours would fly by... Turns out I've got two issues with this album. 1 - The 2 hour length B - It is stylistically all over the place There are songs that sound like rage metal, 90s grunge, movie soundtrack, love themes. Songs seemed to challenge the mood that had been set just a few minutes earlier. I would have probably enjoyed a lot of this a lot more had this been broken up into a couple of albums. I heard some good songs, some strange songs, some great songs, some interesting songs, and a few tedious songs. But despite the distinctive vocal delivery didn’t get the feel of this as an album. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness is an interesting albeit unwieldy album. A good curator could lift and separate this into a few great albums.

too whiny

Not my jam, I think the vocals are just too annoying and the songwriting is quite cringe.

A versão deluxe ficou muito cansativa porque é GIGANTESCA... 6h de álbum é tortura. De qualquer forma, o disco 2 é pior que o 1.

Listening to this felt like infinite sadness (I've got to try stand up)

Niceeeeeee

There are a lot of great songs on this and it works well on the whole, but it really marks the beginning of the end for Smashing Pumpkins in my opinion where everything just gets far too long and overblown. Nowhere near as direct and consistent as Gish or Siamese Dream, to the extent that I was toying with giving this a 3, but when it hits it really hits

I Verdena. Ora so a chi si sono ispirati i Verdena. L'ultimo brano del secondo cd mi ricorda tanto Mina e anche Luna. Questo è un album che ha alti e bassi. Non avevo mai sentito quella parte lenta degli Smashing e devo dire che da loro mi aspettavo la parte più "cattiva" che poi è quella che mi piace. Nulla da dire sugli assoli di piano che sono molto piacevoli, è il resto lento che non mi aggrada troppo.

Ho una profonda antipatia per Billy Corgan, ma questo è un capolavoro. E poi, c'è un pezzo che si chiama "Porcelina dei vasti oceani". Un titolo così già merita 5.

Sarà la voce gracchiante di Billy Corgan o il fatto che in radio passano solo tre sue canzoni (tutte incluse in quest’album peraltro), ma non ho mai apprezzato particolarmente gli Smashing Pumpkins. Devo dire che dopo questo lungo (forse troppo) ascolto ho scoperto che se la cavano su più generi, dalle ballatone melense, al grunge, finanche al metal. Bravi. Seriamente però, troppo lungo; potevate pubblicare due album e guadagnare il doppio.

A masterpiece like this doesn't come along very often.

This was actually one of the first albums I ever listened to all the way through without interruption, so I suppose you could say it holds a place in my heart of some kind. I mean, obviously it's a double album, but it's crazy how many memorable songs are on this album. 1979, Bullet With Butterfly Wings, Zero, We Only Come Out At Night, Lily, and many more. It's just a really fantastic grunge album that has a lot of variety. I admittedly seem to like the first part more than the second part, but both have great songs and are a joy to listen to. Getting some good albums lately, can't wait for another line of stinkers.

- Don't think I've listened to a full Smashing Pumpkins album before - Enjoyed it, but it's WAY too long - Would probably rate it higher and be more likely to listen again if it was half the length - Fav songs: Porcelina of the Vast Oceans, Thirty-Three; Tonight, Tonight

I found this much better than I expected. 1979 is one of the great songs of all time but I am a bit meh about the rest of their singles. This thought had a surprising tone - some really good songs.

not a fan of the lead singer voice still the calmer songs and instrumental songs (which there are a few) are decent though 3.5

Great representation of 90’s angst in an artful concept album that inspired many into the 00s. Despite the almost 6 hour deluxe edition that came out at a later anniversary, the original 2 CD/4LP release felt forced and a 1 cd/ 2 LP would have made this perfect

Great album, a bit disorganised at times and definitely longer than it should be, but still extremely memorable and full of excellent songs.

A very very lengthy album, mostly really good songs, with their 4 biggest hits, and a few duds too. The Smashing Pumpkins was the first band's cd that I ever bought as a kid. I particularly enjoy the sound of his nasally voice. Great album and band!

Did I not asked her to believe in me as I believed in her? How many times back then we felt the imposible was possible… tonight? I even considered back in the day getting a tattoo with the words “despite all my rage I’m still just a rat in a cage”… I remember how I spend years without hearing Thirty Three and then listening to it the day my girlfriend broke up with me as I pulled up my collar up and faced the cold on my own… (it was April tho lol). I remember singing to Lilly (my one and only) the stray dog we briefly housed so many years ago… this album has always been with me. I was 8 at the time it came out. Would this album be as praised if it was only say, 10 songs long? I do think so. The hits are just that massive but the legend of the record needs for it to be 28 songs long. They say Corgan locked himself in an hotel room and came out with all of those songs… I know some of them are not worth it and for that this should be a 3 or a 4 but damn those hits are timeless and beyond greatness.

Olihan pitkä. Aika puuduttavaa kuunneltavaa välillä, ei kuitenkaan ihan pahimmasta päästä. Vaikea löytää edes muutamaa suosikkia, joten löysin kaksi: Tonight, Tonight ja Thirty-Three.

Innostuin tästä albumista vähän ekan kappaleen perusteella, kun se sai odottamaan jotain muuta, mitä oon aiemmin kuullut The Smashing Pumpkinsilta. Kuitenkin tosi monen kappaleen kohdalla oli taas vahvasti sellanen tunne, että mielummin vaan skippaisin seuraavaan. Varmaan tähän pätee vähän sama kuin Pearl Jamiin, että teoriassa tykätä näistä kappaleista enemmänkin, mutta lauluääni häiritsee jostain syystä liikaa. Kun arvostelin aiemmin toisen The Smashing Pumpkinsin levyn (Siamese Dream), annoin sille kolmosen. En tiedä, tykkäänkö tästä periaatteessa yhtään sen enemmän tai vähemmän, mutta jo liialliselta tuntuvan pituuden takia päädyin vaan kahteen tähteen. Kuuntelin muutenkin vaan ne kappaleet, jotka oli julkaistu alkuperäisellä levyllä, enkä kokonaista noin kuuden tunnin versiota, joka oli Spotifyssa. Kappaleita, joista tykkäsin edes vähän enemmän: Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness, Jellybelly, Cupid De Locke, Galapagos, 1979

A classic. Some songs are a bit lame, but there's enough variety and left-hooks to keep the whole thing engaging despite it's huge length

A wonderful colossal!

Wow. I've been dismissing SP so long due to comments about Corgan's voice but now finally give it a chance and it absolutely blew me. This is truly a melancholy album despite not having a sad instrumental. Every songs here are phenomenal, the first six especially. I feel like Stumbleine (or even the whole second half) is underrated. Looking forward to be listening more of SP. Shiny, 26/10/22

Feels like a 2 hour long song, its not bad it just gets mind-numbing less than half way through

There are so many iconic songs from this double disc monster of an album, including an all time favorite “1979”. However, it could be said that they went a little overboard on going with essentially two albums for this release. While some interesting deep cuts were rediscovered in listening through this album, there were songs that might have been better left on the cutting room floor. Not trying to invite confrontations from Pumpkin heads, but maybe this could have been really refined and cut down to one ironclad album. But as it is what we have here, I appreciated the lengthy listen and hitting those gems like “1979” how they were meant to be found. If you have the time, the full album is worth it…though obviously it might be worth mentioning for the first time listeners that Billy Corrigan is an acquired taste to say the least. Outside of this, I still think overall this double album is a good way to enjoy the 90s alt rock scene when you get to it.

Never was a big Smashing Pumpkins guy, but the bloat on this album lessons the impact overall compared to the leaner Siamese Dream. Instead, this is the album where Billy Corgan's massive ego went on full display. Jimmy Chamberlin shows you why he is such a highly regarded drummer, but who needs multiple 7+ minute grinding grunge dirges?

decent

Mediocre.

Overall great album, perfect example of mid-90s alternative/post-grunge rock. Tonight tonight, bullet with butterfly wings, 1979, zero, are all classic tracks off this double album. Songs range from loud, heavy rockers, to soft ballads with orchestras, nostalgic songs about better days, and songs about the angst of the present.

If the album was only 14 songs it would be a much higher score. Second half was repetitive, but I’ve gotta give it up for 1979.

I don't listen to this album often due to its length, but its near perfection every time I do. Billy Corgan seems like a nightmare to work with, but he's a wonderful lyricist and captures the angst, hopelessness, and emotionality of youth well here.

This list is often making me relive my youth.

I think I could really get into this band...if they had a different singer. As it is, I gave up half way through the 2 hour ordeal.

The only track I was familiar with here was 1979, which I used to include on compilation tapes quite a bit after finding it on a cd single. Great track. Happy to find many great tracks on this album. Bullet With Butterfly Wings is terrific. I listened to the remastered 2012 double cd version. I thought the 2nd cd was outstanding. The music was so diverse and the musicianship of the highest order. I am not big on Corgan’s voice, but despite that, I found the album really engaging. Great listening.

Oof, this one was hard work, and let me tell you a round-about story as to why this is the album where the Pumpkins lost me... In 1991, I was working at Scratches Records, and I did the import ordering. One day, I was on the phone to Dogmeat Dave at Shock Distribution, and he said “Mate, I’ve a got a record that I think you would really dig”. I agreed to take a copy, and the Pumpkins first album “Gish” turned up. And I put it out for sale, and never listened to it. And it sat there for (at least) three months without anyone even looking at it. So I thought “well, I should at least listen to this thing”, and chucked it on the turntable. By the end of the first song I was hooked. It was heavy and fuzzy and trippy and I really dug it. So I bought that copy and took it home. And for the next six months I played it to everyone I could, and evangelised for the album. I played it a lot. But nobody could get a copy, because it wasn’t locally released yet, and the record company cracked down on imports because they were going to get around to releasing it locally, one day, perhaps. So, for a while, it was like a hidden treasure that I could share. Eventually in June 1992, over a year after its initial international release, it was finally released locally and it took off like a rocket. Siamese Dream was even bigger. I liked the Siamese Dream album too, although the rawness of Gish was always my fave. (Thanks to Andy Winter, who bought me the coloured vinyl LP of Siamese Dream for my birthday). The Pumpkins were huge. I eventually saw them at the Big Day Out and Selina’s in January 1994, by which time they were mostly playing the Siamese Dream album, but they rocked pretty hard live. So, then in 1996 they released this record. Now, I loved this band. I was all primed to love this record. I had some misgivings when I read this article in Rolling Stone prior to release (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/smashing-pumpkins-disillusionment-obsession-confusion-satisfaction-88432/). It starts with Billy Corgan comping vocal tracks out of multiple takes and spending days mixing tracks. And, after all that effort, the vocals _still_ came out as insufferable whining. He always had a tendency towards nasal whining, but when I read that this was _deliberately_ edited best of from multiple takes, I was a bit stunned. And it is such melodramatic self-indulgence. I mean, this thing runs two hours (except in the deluxe CD set, which runs six hours! Six. Whole. Hours.). It was too much. I couldn’t take it. Corgan’s voice wears, particularly on the more ‘sensitive’ numbers where a better singer could have really made a difference. It’s not as psychedelic as previous records. I know lots of people say it is their masterpiece, and not as uniform as previous records, but it is sooooo looooong. And I get really bored. Does the processing and editing reduce the energy of the band (especially Chamberlain’s drumming)? I don’t feel like the guitar solos have the same fire that they did on earlier records (an artefact of Corgan sharing the duties with James Iha?) Is there a really great 40 minute album in there? Undoubtedly. Personally, I would probably pull out the heaviest songs (Bullet with Butterfly Wings, Jelly Belly, Zero, Where Boys Fear to Tread, Scorched Earth, etc) for a full-on metal record. But, if you liked the ballads, there is probably a pretty good album there (although they are not so much to my taste). But I cannot get over the pompous humourlessness of this record, which was confirmed by the interview in that Rolling Stone article. I bought this when it came out, and listened to it all the way through maybe twice. I never wanted to listen to any new music by the Pumpkins ever again after that. And I listened to it again today. And my feeling hasn’t changed; this record is a massive slog to get through, leavened with occasional highlights like “1979”.

I loved the Pumpkins thru grade school/high school and I’m sure I have listened to this album in its entirety since I was a teen. I actually really enjoyed it, my memory of it was a bloated album with great songs peppered in and while it could be trimmed down a bit I was reintroduced to great tracks like An Ode to No One, X.Y.U. , We Only Come Out at Night. I think the Pumpkins greatness definitely gets overshadowed by Billy being an ass but they did write some great rock music. 4 stars

Well there went 2 hours of my life that I am never getting back. It wasn't all bad but man when it was bad it was bad. And the bad parts went on for so long. Why is so long, just why? The weakest point is easily the lead singer. Anytime he tries to actually sings it sounds like someone recorder their singing while cleaning a house with fully blasted headphones on. Meaningful lyrics are non existent and even the album's name is sad attempt at pun. How this made the list compared to some other albums from similar genre and time period is beyond me.

8/8 worlds vampired

Over two hours of music! It should count for two albums, and I wouldn't mind, if both of them were on this list. I'm very surprised by The Smashing Pumpkins, I always thought its a soft rock band, but they had some power, energy and rage to it! I really liked the album, I will definitely listen tocthis again, unfortunately I don't have more time to write more than that. Easy 5.

Good music but I can’t take his voice

The cliche is always that double albums would make better single albums. Well this would make a reasonable EP. It doesn't help that I find Billy Corgan's voice truly grating but many of the songs are awful grunge dirges. Some of the gentler songs are better but overall this is a long long long mess. Best song: Tonight Tonight.

I liked it!

A classic for me, personally, even though it can be a bit long on the latter half. Definitely has a lot of nostalgia bound up in it.

I’ve heard bits of this over the years but never listened to the whole album, although not sure why cos it’s always seemed like something right up my street. I wasn’t wrong, it’s ace. It’s too long (all double albums are), but editing would take away the grandeur of this record. Love it.

I have tried to listen to this album in full before, but the running time has always prevented me from going further than the first disc. Used to always listen to the highlights on my iPod or later on Spotify. And while I finally listened to all of it, to me the excessive amount of songs has brought it down from a masterpiece to a great overloaded album. That being said, you will gain some fantastic songs if you're unfamiliar with Smashing Pumpkins. The opening title track is a beautiful introduction, only to be followed by Tonight, Tonight which is one of my favourite songs ever. Aside from my familarity with the singles Zero, Bullet the Butterfly Wings and 1979, I really enjoyed Cupid De Locke, To Forgive, Take Me Down, Jellybelly and Lily. This is a better listen if you listen the two halfs at seperate times, or even better if you trimmed the running order further to say 20 songs and have a 5 star double album. There are definitely a few songs that sound repeated over the 2 hrs.

The Smashing Pumpkins are good in little dosages. That's all I'll say. Album was 7/10

Yea

4.5

Another fantastic album from the Smashing Pumpkins! It has many classics that I know well from "Rotten Apples" but I didn't have this album as a teenager so I don't think I have ever listened to the album as a whole before. Listening to the whole thing is quite an undertaking at over 2 hours in length but the album explores such a wide range of styles that none of the 28 songs seem like filler. At the end of it all, you feel emotionally exhausted (in a good way)

An ambitious masterpiece! Not sure this needed to be a double album, but many great songs throughout

First album I ever bought my self. Listened to this so many times and I'm still not bored of it

I could see why someone else might like it. It's punchy and rythmic, strong hooks, coherent mood but just not for me I don't think. Sounds pretty dreadful on my brother's car stereo too which doesn't help. Just seems sort of relentlessly one dimensional despite being competent and tuneful. I dunno. Okay.

Couple of good tracks but why is this so bloody long

Very melodic rock pretty intresting, very long but a great journey

Boring

I completely forgot how great this album is, haven't listened to in full in years. Some favourites from my teenage years and at least one of my all time fave songs (1979). As with virtually every double album, it is a bit bloated and there are a couple of forgettable tunes. Some of the lyrics are a bit cringy now that I'm a 30-something ["God is empty, just like ME! >:(" for ex]. It doesn't quite live up to "Siamese Dream", in my opinion, but it is still a fantastic album.

T3B 1. Bullet With Butterfly Wings 2. Tonight, Tonight 3. Zero

As with many double albums, there's a great single album here once you get rid of the filler.

I don't hate the Smashing Pumpkins but I was not the biggest supporter either...there are some great tracks and if this album was smushed down into one, or smashed down into one album if you will...This would be one of the greats of all times. (I know some already think that.)

I love The Smashing Pumpkins. My mom used to listen to them all the time when I was a kid. Mellon Collie has gotten many a happy listen from me

Eerste plaat vind ik geweldig, maar bij de 2e haak ik toch altijd een beetje af.

Lang geleden dat ik deze in zijn geheel heb gehoord. Toch wel een plaatje hor, hoewel Siamese Dream de go to plaat is. Daarom een ster minder

Te lang, en iets teveel opvullers ertussen, maar de rest blijft geweldig. Niet zo goed als de platen voor deze, en die boze neuzige schreeuw-zang is soms tegen het irritante aan. Maar muziekaal echt geweldig!

Ik heb liever Siamese dream. Dat gezegd hebbende: er staan echt parels op dit album. Zowel ruwe parels als gladde :). Maar ik vind het te lang en ik heb behoefte aan iets vrolijkers.

The vibe/sound of a lot of their songs is similar enough to me that I can't quite give this a 5. But I don't deny that this album is great (even if it is long af, hah) 4.5

Okay, so this is obviously obscenely long. But I'm not even mad because it's consistently pretty fucking great.

Some good tunes. Tonight, Tonight, and 1979 are obvious bangers. Seemed a bit too long though…

I despise his vocals. The rest of the band is great and pushes this rating from a 1 to a 2.

Billy Corgan has an annoying voice, but otherwise I'm actually quite liking this. Not sure it needed to be so long though.

Why

One could consider this as the bands magnum opus, though I still prefer Siamese Dream. This album was huge when it came out, and it honestly holds up nearly 30 years later. The songs aren't necessarily linked by any themes or narrative (other than maybe being a 90s teen) but it works as a cohesive unit nonetheless. Does drag a little in parts, but there are more than its fair share of great tracks.

What a masterpiece. songs like Tonight, Tonight, Bullet with Butterfly Wings or Thirty-Three will stay with me forever 9/10

amazing, so many different emotions, all over the place but still cohesive

This album made no sense when it came out but the singles were huge hits. I listened to this when it was first released and but didn't dig much deeper than the singles. There are some good tunes here but its a little too long. Typical Billy Corgan production that seems to be improved on the 2012 remaster.

Husker at jeg hørte en del på denne for ca 15 år siden. Flere tøffe riff, men vokalen er ganske enerverende. Sikkert «bra», men ikke helt min greie.

a 5

6 hours!?!

Definitely dig the album. Not sure it is my fav of theirs though

Finalmente me dediquei e me presenteei com a audição do disco duplo do a sequência de diferentes formas do rock na essência.

Great album. Was a very instrumental grunge album

This album fucking takes me back. I remember really liking it when I was younger, and then in my typical oppositional defiant disorder way, I became much less interested in it when I found out that a lot of other people liked it. As a result, I didn't listen to this album nearly so much as a lot of its contemporaries that were slightly less popular. Now I get to listen to this album fresh after many years. One of the things that stands out now is the influence of the shoegaze genre on this band. I wasn't familiar with bands like My Bloody Valentine in the 90s, and it's cool to hear some of the influences of those works on the Smashing Pumpkins. It's also interesting to see little bits of Industrial and Electronica in the music, especially since those influences would become more prominent in their future works. Overall I like the album, it feels a bit long as a double album, but at the same time it's not easy to pick out songs that I would cut from it to make it tighter. There's so many different flavors here, and the album wouldn't feel as complete if it focused more around fewer sonic ideas. Some of the lyrics are a bit on-the-nose, which I think also contributed to my abandoning the album as I got older in high school. Overall, it's a really good album 4/5

Liked it a lot

The hits are good. The rest is not.

Pretentious and melodramatic, in the best way. A timeless classic, Corgan kills it on so many of the songs. The length of the albums, the renessaince painting cover, the strings and orchestral instrumentation all add to this album's ability to stand apart, and it handles the spotlight with ease. This album is the result of a band bursting with creativity, knowing they were at the top of their game, and not being afraid to dip into extravagance to show off to the world. Whether this eclipses siamese dream is another question, but smashing pumpkins definitely smashed it with this one Highlights: Bullet with Butterfly Wings Tonight, Tonight Zero

Lots to absorb here. Probably would have helped if I was 22, directionless, and needed a friend in Billy. Sounds great and a good reflection of mid 90s rock.

Excellent album.. tunes for the soul

Arrancamos bien, suavecito, después de 3 a 5 hay un vórtice de energía enojada y en la 6 volvimos con una progresión más tentadora. Overall las guitarras !!!!!!!!!!! y full bajo controlando la energía. POr ahora no estoy atenta a las letras... y me aburrí, yup, no lo escuché entero pero has good potential, like, actually. 7/10

Already happier with these instrumentals- piano and maybe violin? Much softer and sweeter to my ear on the first song. Oh the deception… I like the whimsicalness of Cupid de Locke I also like Galapagos Porcelina is nice I just wanna feel like i’m travelling through outer space like this. Take me down is pretty 1979 slaps We only come out at night is interesting, definitely catchy and captivating I want a mashup bw beautiful and we only come out at night tbh

3/5 Reminds me of Violent Soho with more substance.

Too long, not everything hits, has multiple personalities… reminds me a bit of my favourite Beatles album. HL: 1979, Tonight, Thru the Eyes…and more Mellon Collie: August 20th, listening while walking downtown The infinite sadness: August 21st, commuting to work

So far loike the instrumental track more than anything else. Nothing much standing out. Tracks I like - Ode to Noone, Galapogos

Nope sorry. started off into it with a long intro, then the guy started singing in a crappy metal way but over garage rock tunes. 90s albums have been taking a beating here but oh my god this is just bad.

two sp albums??? Yayyy

jaaaa

Da e jo lyttbart, men alt for langt. Seriøst, ka e poenget med dobbel-CD

I brought three albums when I was trying to get into "real" music. Rage against the machine self titled, blink 182 take off your pants and jacket and this. I really struggled to listen to it back then and nothing has changed. His voice whines on, its far too long, some occasional tolerable stuff but over all just not for me

This album has some all time classic songs. It also has quite a bit of filler. But for a grunge album from 1995 it surprisingly does not get tiresome after 45 to 60 minutes. It holds up for the whole two hours. The filler isn't bad, but if it was just the highlights this would easily be a 5 star album. The filler drops it to a 4 and Billy Corgan being such a dick makes me want to drop it to a 3 or a 2, but if we are separating the art from the artist this stands as a 4 star album.

Such a fantastic album and a must listen to.

A double album, enjoyed parts of it

No fair judgement as his way of singing prevents me from listening objectively to the music

Perfection.

Soooooo looooong. Definitely some great tracks that have aged well, but the album is just so long without much justification and that holds it back for me

took me two full days to listen to, i kept getting bored and moving on. like the white album, i dont think an album this long can ever be _great_, because there’s bound to be some stinkers on there. this had some good songs and some bad, but if it was half the length with only the good songs it would be so much better

Fantastic album. Love a large amount of the tracks on it. I'm not big on giant double albums like this one as they usually have a few tracks which come across as filler-ish that I could/would usually skip. Would love to cut the track amount down.

By cutting out a little over half of these songs the Smashing Pumpkins might have had a great album, there are just so many misses here. Just build it around "Thirty-Three," "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans" and "By Starlight" and it's their second (or third) great album of new material in a row. As it is a lot of it is a slog to get through. I'm pretty sure I've only ever listened to this front to back one other time and I probably won't ever again, I'd rather listen to "Siamese Dream" or "Gish" or even "Pisces Iscariot."

I’d go back and listen

Pas mon album préféré des Pumpkins mais un album incroyable tout de même. Trop long à mon avis. Certaines des "ballades" sont moins intéressantes, mais les pièces "rock" restent des classiques de ma génération. Une mine de positivisme! 😂

Way, wayyy too long for its own good. Billy must have thought he was a genius after Siamese Dream because he went all in and did a two-hour album about... I don't know about what. Now, I think this album has a lot of great songs. The singles are incredible and shows Billy's talent (see what I did there) for writing engaging songs. Their mix of alternative rock, dream pop and heavy metal is rather bold, especially considering it was rather uncool to be this pompous and metallic at that time. When the magic sticks, this album becomes one of the best of its era. But it's two hour long. Of course there's gonna be fillers. And while there are no really bad moments to be found, there's plenty of unremarkable songs though. Which makes me wonder why Billy thought it was a great idea to put out an album this long. For that reason, I prefer Siamese Dream (and even Adore), but there's no denying this is one of the most iconic alternative rock album of the 90's.

Waaaaay too long. There's certainly some hits, but a lot of miss too. I understand why and how this is a critically acclaimed album, but I never want to go through it again

I'll do a short critic, cause I dont have time left now that've listen to this 2hours album. Couple hits, nice vibe - but way too long and unequal.

It's hard to rate this album well. It's a major record of the 90s, the intention behind it, to make a concept album so long at that time... It's spectacular and quite off-track. However, I don't know if in the end, it is totally successful. There are a lot of unmemorable songs. I feel that it could have been an excellent album of about forty minutes, since there are also plenty of good tracks like Tonight Tonight, To Forgive, Cupid De Locke, Where Boys Fear To Tread, 1979, By Starlight... The concept is very good, but extended over two CDs, it's too much, sorry.

2 hours. .... bloody hell

Vous savez sûrement que la plupart des critiques importants de ce générateur dont je fais partie sont actuellement en vacances. Et c'est précisément le moment qu'a choisi Robert pour nous envoyer des albums de plus de deux heures. J'ai donc mené une manifestation contre nos conditions de travail déplorables dont ledit Robert ne semble pas se soucier. Nous avons finalement obtenu la promesse de ne recevoir que des albums dont la durée n'excède pas soixante minutes une fois l'interminable S&M de Metallica critiqué. Robert a maintenant intérêt à joindre la parole aux actes.

Je n'en peux plus de cette voix de citrouille.

Some great tracks on this. Particularly enjoyed Disc 1.

Very good!!!

I honestly want to give this more stars but the singers voice is wretched and the melody behind it is boring. Some decent songs but I couldn’t wait for this album to end.

Very intersting!

It started good… until he starting singing

As I usually say; there’s a fantastic single album here! There has never and there will never be a perfect double album!

It's a long record, that's for sure, but personally this is probably the closest to be a perfect double-album in the CD era. It's not just the songs - the single from this record are hugely iconic and timeless (Tonight, Tonight, 1979, Zero, Bullet with Butterfly Wings) - but it's a record's record in the sense that each track flows to another seamlessly, rising, and falling, yet remaining interesting throughout. There's gentle, there's aggressive, the production is impeccable, James Iha's guitars are unique and wonderful - balancing virtuosity, with style. Chamberlain's drums are pounding and tight, and gorgeous sounding. The way the entire double album is bookended with a piano theme is iconic - and the energy is balanced perfectly throughout. Lyrically it gets a bit twee, but not too embarrassingly so - and it doesn't yet feel dated. I remember listening to this when it was released - one of the first albums I really discovered and loved - and nothing this band did before or since matches up to it - so it's a fluke, and one that should be honored. And yes, it's Billy Corgan, and yes it's the 90s and yes, there is a lot of space for mockery - but musically, this record holds.

The day after I got Siamese Dream, the generator gave me Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness and I'm happy it did. Mellon Collie is significantly better in my mind. I had heard it a long time ago but never really revisited it as I wasn't a big Smashing Pumpkins fan. It is a lot more diverse stylistically and sonically from song to song than Siamese Dream is. I feel there is a lot more emotion in the songs too. This is an album I will be coming back to although it is a little long for my liking at around 2 hours. I believe this album also features the best song they ever made in "1979". The Smashing Pumpkins have never been one of my favorites, but this album is undoubtedly excellent, rightfully revered as a classic and may have changed my mind about them in general after my first re-listen in years. Favorite Songs: "1979", "Tonight, Tonight", "Zero", "Bullet With Butterfly Wings", "We Only Come Out At Night"

This one evokes a lot of memories from the high school, so is an instant classic in my mind. Objectively it's a good album, regardless though, I will always enjoy it and turn it up, but it's got it's flaws.

Discazo

Al is dit album meer dan 2 uur lang, toch verveelt het niet door het aanboren van veel verschillende genres. Ik kende enkel de singles uit dit album, maar de rest -kalm, hevig, melodieus,...- is ook erg goed

Great album! (Silly title)

1 x (9+7) +9 /5=🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 Plus Tonight, tonight!

Never got into them, always found them a bit pretentious and try hard. Some songs are okay - I suppose, wouldn't turn them off if they came on the radio but eh. Overrated.

I love Gish and Siamese Dream but this album.. I've always been disappointed by it. A few songs are ok but overall it's not very good.

The worst of Smashing Pumpkins. Overreaching, overdramatic, overproduced. Gish and Siamese Dream maybe set expectations too high for me, but this double album was just twice the let down. Yes, there are a couple redeeming songs, but not enough to save the collection.

There are some great songs. There are some good songs. and there is a good chunk of filler. This album was everywhere when i was in high school so it hits that nostalgia button for me. Zero still hits pretty hard. While I'm not sure if this needed to be 2 hours long, it's still worth a listen.

It's a very good album. But it would be a stellar 45 minute album. Why is this thing two hours long? No one needs that much, especially since there are a few duds in that extra time.

It's funny to revisit this album outside of the strict religious context of my upbringing. Phrases like, "Jesus was an only sun" and "bastard son of a bastard son" were so scandalous and my mind could not spare the energy to try to understand or enjoy the songs for what they were because I was so pre-occupied with whether my parents would think that they had a corrupting influence on my soul and whether they were right. Corgan seems to have a fascination with the contrast between thrashy aggressive sounds and beautiful fragile ones. A great example is the transition to "And I give it all up to you" on an ode to no one. I think that this was a really important thing in that it created permission for people, particularly teenage boys, to enjoy music that was full of both rage and a yearning for beauty. It's trivial now, The Breakfast Club era stereotypes were so strong that it sometimes felt like you couldn't like loud aggressive music and quite pretty music. The Smashing Pumpkins did a lot for breaking that down. Muzzle is an example of this being blended rather than contrasted. Chef's kiss for the way the instruments come to life on "Where Boys Fear To Tread". The lyrics on Stumbeline.

Wow, I forgot how much I hate this. I really liked Gish and Siamese Dream when they came out but this album ruined the band for me. A few songs in I thought if they'd done this as thrash/black metal with distorted vocals it could totally work. Somewhere in disc 2 I had to start hitting 'next' after half a song and even that was tough to get through.

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Bastantes temas buenos, pero larguísimo...

5 fucking stars baby.

Incredible

Could have have been a 5/5 if they cut the filler down to 1 CD. Standout tracks - Mellon Collie and the infinite sadness - tonight tonight - muzzle - zero - bullet with butterfly Wings - where boys fear to tread - 1979

The band resists Corgan's best efforts to ruin their passable speed grunge until the penultimate track, which is a huge fucking pin in their balloon.

Absolutely one of the best albums of the era

Ok

no

Yeah this one wasn’t that great at all. I can recognize why some may enjoy it, but for me, it felt like every other alt rock album I’ve heard prior (a genre that so far hasn’t impressed me). The biggest issues for me were the vocals which got very ear grating after a bit and the runtime. This project did not need to be 2 hours long, I’m sorry. The instrumentation at least was decent for the most part. I’d say this is the first album I didn’t care for during this challenge which is unfortunate. Highlights: 1979 I guess

An album as big as Billy Corgan's ego. A mix of ballads, metal, indie rock, goth and everything in between. Even the terrible pun of the title can't detract from its vastness. Best Tracks: Tonight, Tonight; Bullet With Butterfly Wings; 1979

Sharon Osborne and Billy Corgan. I think about this a lot

Clásico de mi juventud.

A very long listen but well worth it. I think there are a handful of songs that could have been cut or re-ordered to make this double album a smoother listen but overall it's a phenomenal album.

Troche materialu od pana Corgana juz bylo, ale dopiero teraz trafilo na jego magnum opus, czyli Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness z 95, ktory stanowi potezny 28 trakowy krazek, trzci w dyskografii The Smashing Pumpkins, jeszcze bardziej niz na poprzednim picku od tego zespolu slychac jak roznorodnosc brzmienia, bo prawie dwie godziny czasu daja sporo miejsca na eksperymenty, wiec slychac zarowno grungowa jechanka, jak tez akustyczne wolniejsze numery, synthezowe brzmienia z 1979, a nawet kompozycje na orkiestre jak na tonight, tonight, calosc mozna podzielic na dwie glowne czesci, czyli dzien i noc, ktore w orginalnym vinylowym wydaniu byly rozbite jeszcze inaczej, bo az na szesc czesci, co tez w pewnym sensie zmienia jak sie slucha albumu, ktory pomimo tego, ze jest definytywnym pozegnaniem z mlodoscia od pana Corgana, to jednak dawkuje roznorakie strony tego okresu w zaleznosci od strony traka, wiec kolejnosc plejlisty z pewnoscia wplywa tutaj na odbior krazka, gdy pierwszy raz sluchalem tego albumu, to gralem spotifajem wersje dzien/noc, ale w ramach tego odsluchu soulseekowalem orginalne vinylowe wydanie w calkiem przyzwoitej jakosci, bo taka ilosc trakow nagrana w przeciagu kilku miesiecy musi miec swoje surowe miejsca, ktore slychac zwlaszcza na utworach gdzie leci mocna sieczka gitarowa duetu Corgan x Iha, ktory zdecydowanie jest niedoceniany jako gitara prowadzaca, ten album wydaje sie byc dobrym self checkiem czy jeszcze jest sie wystarczajaco mlodym zeby liryka odnosila sie do osoby sluchajacej, czy juz czlowiek jest zbyt przezuty zyciem na palanie nienawiscia przeciwko zyciu i wszystkiemu co sie z nim laczy, jeden z niewielu dwu godzinnych albumow ktore jestem w stanie sluchac kolejny raz w jednym posiedzeniu, wiec chyba nadal nie jest ze mna tak zle, na plejke nic nie dodaje, bo sluchane offlajnowo tym razem

One of the nineties

Aptly named. Nostalgia aside, the vocals were never well balanced, something they did fix in the remastered versions.

Although it falters during the last half of the second disc, the rest of Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness is so epic in scope, it qualifies as a masterpiece. Is it overwrought exercise in self-indulgence, as so many double albums are? Absolutely! But it fluidly moves between hugely fuzzy and bombastic, and gentle and introspective, and sometimes manages to be both at once. Like MCR would later channel Queen on The Black Parade, Smashing Pumpkins have leaped from straightforward grunge to a theatrical and grand arena rock spectacle while maintaining the angsty foundation that made them.

nah

Dobbeltalbum, en blanding af rock og metal, til tider udmærket, men for langt

Beloved racket

songs - 10/10

Früher 4. Jetzt eher 3. Und weil Billie Corgan ein Depp ist, kann ich mit 3 ganz gut leben.

What a great listen, and a flashback to youth. But it holds up! Mostly. A little too long, but still a banger.

When I think of this band I remember a review from way back when that kind of influenced my opinion that simply said "Stop Whinging Billy". Anyway, it was nice to pay some attention and what a wonderful album. I've only ever really listened to Siamese Dream but of course knew some of the big hits from here. I do like 1979, and Zero, but there are so many songs like Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans that are also great. Thanks 1001 for changing my views.

4.25

Its a good album but overly long as it seems to repeat itself the longer it goes. The high lights are very high... Tonight tonight is a great song. Ultimately I had difficulty digesting it all in one sitting 3 🌟

Just as good as it was when I was 13 and first heard it. I love this album. 5/5

Never been a massive fan of Corgan's vocals when he goes overly nasal but apart from that, this is a fantastic album if a little long. Ambitious, powerful and heavy.

It’s funny, I namedropped Billy Corgan in yesterday’s review and he shows up today. Hmm, something something Neurosis. But no, I did rock with Smashing Pumpkins in my youth. I never really connected with Nirvana or Radiohead, so it took some time for me to embrace the other 90’s alt rock giants. But I did gravitate to most of the other ones in due time, and I played the fuck out of my Mellon Collie CD. In hindsight, it’s way too long, and the pattern is basic- heavy song, slow song, repeat with minor exceptions. But I can still feel the primal aggression in Bullet with Buttefly Wings, even if it’s pretty silly in hindsight, and I dig how weird some of the non-hits get while appreciating the softer tracks. It’s an imperfect thing, but I feel like this should still be essential listening for teenagers. B

Always good to revisit this once in a while. It’s not their best work and it’s definitely bloated, but their ambition is realized in this collection that’s daunting for anyone who isn’t a Pumpkins fan. It’s a rewarding listen despite its overbearing presence, the singles hold up and are well-placed. I’d say it could use some editing, but two hours of this shit really sums up where this band was, egotistically, in the 90s. 3.5

When I was started to comprehend pop music and rock music in the mid 90s, my recollection is that Smashing Pumpkins were a bigger deal than Pearl Jam or Soundgarden. However now they aren’t really mentioned in the same breath as them or other rock bands as the best of the 90s. I’m guilty of this too, if I had to list the top rock acts of the 90s off the top of my head, I don’t think I would have thought of Pumpkins. It’s crazy too that given how good this album is that I can’t really point to any band that ripped them off. Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness is a record I’ve always meant to listen to, maybe I hadn’t because it’s a double album and over 2 hours long; it’s a big time commitment. I now wish I had jumped into it earlier, this thing is a masterpiece and I would have worn this out. I know most of the songs on its, from Zero to Bullet With Butterfly Wings. But the other songs in between really kill it. Like Jellybelly which is going into my current rotation. Amazing work Corgan and company.

It's 6 hours long, I'm not gonna lie it all started blurring at one point. There's everything here. Harder rock and more indie sound. Probably some goodies to save, but I started giving up around the 3rd disc. One to revisit I think. Few songs per day haha

The same age as me, the album is remarkably diverse, so there is no chance not to like at least one track. Anyway, as a whole it's not working for me, at least for now.

Maybe his voice would grow on me - but I doubt it. Bill (2/5) Little heavy sometimes. Like their sound. Shannah (3/5) Brilliantly balanced album with some of the best riffs going. Almost perfect.(4.5/5)

Diverse and chaotic, just like me.

this album is too long but it does have a lot of bangers

Coming in pretty blind. Heard a few songs at bars and the like but never got round to listening to them despite it being the seminal album of many of my university friends. Album starts well enough with an instrumental but I have always found the vocals a little off putting. The album is long. Very very long. It's filled with lighter numbers but it's generally pretty heavy. The riffs very in quality. There is a good song or bit here and there but I found it largely a total drag.

there's some good tracks on here, but whoever thought making it 2 hours long was a good idea...

One of the greatest albums of all time

Easy five benefiting from a massive nostalgia bump. Alternating between grungy angsty alt rock and halcyon drifty dream pop, it ticks a lot of my boxes. Think I'd probably still really dig this if I was hearing it for the first time... Fave track - honesty, about a third of the album would qualify depending on my mood during that specific listen. This time around, let's say "Bodies"...

So good

I like it

see i absolutely love 1979 but all the others were incomparable in a bad way the scorched earth song made me want to stick needles in my ears and never be able to hear again the first two songs gave me some hope but it immediately dropped for the next two hours.

I was a big fan of Gish and Siamese Daydream but when this came out I never liked it...time for a revisit to figure out why or how wrong I was... Eh. Bloated. I do love the beginning... gentle piano medley into "Tonight, Tonight" but there's something that was lost for me in this album and never quite sure what. Billy Corgan's vocals were never smooth, obviously, but immediately I find them more abrasive than ever. I'll have to compare but I wonder if more effort was made to fix him dry and clear on these songs. Don't like. It's just too much. What I loved about the band's first 2 albums was the dreamy and mysterious sonic landscape they created...even in their heavier songs. Many of these - while rarely bad - just don't hit that same way. It ends up as a long aural assault that I still can't connect with. There are definitely moments and it never doesn't sound like the Pumpkins. And of course there was density on the first two albums but I always felt was countered with more dynamics and *space* - (e.g Hummer from S.D.) Also 2 hours come on. Should have at least Use Your Illusion'd it. Halfway between 2 and 3 and the answer to "will I voluntarily listen to this again?" gives it the tiebreaker. 5/10 2 stars

This album is so deeply 90s. I find it hard to dislike, but there are no songs on it that weren't on the radio that I really like. The idea that this was whittled down from 60 songs seems crazy. There are several more I would've cut, but maybe if I gave it a super close listen, I'd change my mind. Regardless, there are six pretty great songs here and they're spread out enough that the filler-ish songs don't hurt you. 'Bodies' is probably the best of the lesser-known songs? But it is also maybe the most performatively sad of them all. I mean - love is suicide. Sheesh. Sidenote - around the time this came out I had a friend I made music with and we had the idea of doing an original Christmas album by a band called Bring Cosby and the name of the album would be Bells and Holly and the Infinite Santas. That was the best part of the idea and that was as far as it went. Maybe some day.

An excellent album. Master class. Smashing but extremely accurated finishing.

Najdraži predugi album

This is a perfect record. It's the record that made me love the Smashing Pumpkins - and propelled me into their back catalog and caused me to wait with anticipation through the early 2000s when the original lineup ended. I can't wait to review the other records by this band on this list (there better be at least a couple more). The subsequent "Aeroplane Flies High" box set has 30ish more songs that are all good enough to have made it on the single LPs of other bands of the time. The pumpkins weren't grunge but they were the best band of the grunge era. I could type forever about every song here. Every song on this record has had a moment for me. Where it was my favorite song on the record, and I was listening to it on repeat. I scoured the lyric sheets for meaning. And I learned how to play the hardest guitar parts I'd ever played at the time. 10/5.

This album is real good. It's everything that was actually good about 90s music combined and executed to perfection. It's like you can hear every other 90s rock band in these songs - Nirvana, Our Lady Peace, Soundgarden, even like Tool or Metallica - except they do it better. Plus, every song has arc. It's not the same 3-4 chords in the same progression (or, if it is, they've arranged it in such a way that you can't tell). It's almost operatic. This is also one of the best-produced albums I think I've ever heard. It's just so clean, even though it's so busy.

A generic representative of the kind of generic rock music that flows out of the USA, a kind that is so generic I fail to be able to latch myself to it.

On NME500. Nostalgic favourite.

Rating: 7/10

It was ok but did not set my world on fire.

ok

Looking down the barrel of a 28-song record, I was surprised that it wasn't that hard to get through. I had a break at one point, but did still enjoy the record, despite the fact that there's some fat to trim here. The range of influences is nice, from the psychedelic-shoegaze of the Pumpkins' early careers, to some Spiritualized-esque near-ambient music, and even some dabbling in country, of all genres. That being said, the record can be a little schizophrenic, jumping from some extremely heavy songs to some very hushed, light songs with reckless abandon (see "Bodies" to "Thirty Three"). Favorite tracks: "X.Y.U.", "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans", "Bodies", "Zero"

Good stuff from Billy Corgan. Lots of great songs and good moments. Gets a bit long winded occasionally, but still worthy of a top rating.

Didn't realize it was a double album! Smashing Pumpkins does a great job of going for ethereal slow stuff to abrasive hard grungy punk without having it feel weird. I thought this album would be okay Liked this a lot more than I expected! 4.5 for sure!

Rock oscuro de los Smashing Pumpkins. Varios megahits. Vinilo.

Erg divers album, heerlijk

Over-ambitious scope. 2 hours and nearly 30 songs is huge. I'd prefer half the songs and more than half the running time please! Good variety of rock and pretty songs. The singles cover the variety. Would have been as good as Siamese Dream if paired down to 12 song.

The lyrics on nearly every song on this album sound like they were composed by an android who learned about human emotion by studying a 14-year-old's diary. The whole thing is overly long, self-indulgent, and sounds like it was ripped off of a dozen other contemporary bands. Billy Corgan can't sing and is a humongous asshole in real life. Despite all of this, I unironically really, really like it. Maybe it's nostalgia. Maybe I'm a sucker for adolescent Big Feelings expressed in an objectively mediocre way. I think it's just that I decided I enjoyed their sound in sixth grade, so now it hits the part of my brain that makes me happy, even though it shouldn't. Best track: Bullet with Butterfly Wings

Peak of the decade, and maybe the century. Incredible music through both albums.

Superou as expectativas, nunca curti muito o som deles mas é um bom CD.

One of the best

“An album that isn't worth your time or money"

There's a LOT here, but it's mostly good.

ook

Exciting album from the 90's with several hits. A bit fluttering in style and too long for my taste.

Decent. Too long to finish. The slower the better.

I didn't know Smashing Pumpkins contained such multitudes. A wild, sprawling album with a track sequencing designed to give you repeated whiplash. One moment they're playing dreamy ballads, the next they're thrashing through blistering hard rock and even metal. It's hard to predict what's coming next. The band seems to want to disorient you, even at the expense of a better flowing album. Once you open yourself up to the experience though, there are some terrific highlights. They can spin alt-rock gold like "Tonight, Tonight," "Muzzle," and "1979." They can turn up the aggression on tracks like "Jellybelly" and "Zero," or push their rage to the limits like on "Tales of a Scorched Earth" and "X.Y.U." And then there's the sweet spot for me, "Bullet With Butterfly Wings," which has huge hooks but doesn't skimp on the hard rock sound. Other favorites were the "An Ode to No One" (epic!) and "Love" (I love that drenched in fuzz sound). Dizzying and definitely too long but that's the point, right? Really impressive overall.

I had this album & saw this tour & rocked the Zero shirt for several years!

Loads of great songs but pretty long, I did go back and forth whether or not this should be 3 or 4 stars as it's not as good as as Siamese Dream which I'd give 4 stars to but in the end I decided it's better than a few of the albums I've rated 3 stars.

отличная обложка альбома просто смак а песни калл какой то мне не зашло

Pros: - some real bangers on here. "Tonight, Tonight", "Zero", "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" "1979" - Very ambitious - 1979 is one of my favorite songs from the 90s and I think even with all of it's hype it's still one of the most underrated 90s tracks. - production is clean when it needs to be clean, and dirty when it needs to be dirty - orchestral elements are so good and don't overtake the foundational strengths of the songwriting - "Cupid De Locke" has some spoken word in it which is cool as heck Cons: - flow of the album is a little weird right? "tonight tonight" into "jellybelly" is a stark contrast, and "to forgive" is a sad boy track right in the middle of two slammers. Misc: - The only spotify version is the deluxe version which is 92 songs long and 6 hours. I don't really have an interest in "Tonight Tonight's strings parts but pitched down 1 semitone and 3bpm lower v6 FINAL.wav", but I get it- that's for the mega fans. - To me they are the Kings of 90s Cringe. "Love is suicide" is a lyric that is repeated over and over in the track "Bodies". It's cringey; like "wow this is so profound"

// And someone will say, "What is lost can never be saved." //

I unironically love this album, and have for 15+ years.

THE WORLD IS A VAMPIRE And suddenly I'm 15 again, cycling through the woods on my way to my horrible summer job at the cactus plantation at 6am, where I would be holding out all day to listen to more Smashing Pumpkins on the way home.

Buff, este disco lo machaqué de tanto oírlo. Al final como Billy Corgan empezó a decir tonterías en épocas recientes le cogí manía al grupo y un poco a su música. ► Del primer disco me gustan: "Tonight, Tonight","Jellybelly","Zero","Here Is No Why","Bullet with Butterfly Wings","Cupid de Locke","Muzzle" y "Take Me Down" (Qué bueno es James Iha!!!). ► Del segundo disco: "Bodies","Thirty-Three","1979","Stumbleine","We Only Come Out at Night","Lily (My One and Only)" y "Farewell and Goodnight". Volviendo a escucharlo con detalle veo que me gustan más las canciones más tranquilas y pop. Un gran disco doble que refleja una época desde una ciudad diferente a Seattle.

Phantasmagoria of dreamscapes and nightmares, rollicking guitars and ferocious drums, lullabies and funeral processions, marching towards uncertainty and dread. Unstoppable, immovable, and downright unmatchable. Wanna go for a ride.

Sone definite bangers but the length lost the album some points. Many songs spunded kinda samey

CD

Lite mycket filler och sången är outhärdlig, men hitsen är så satans starka? Också fler bra album tracks än jag väntade mig? Tonight, Tonight och 1979 är såna tokdängor.

Åter igen olyssningsbart bös.

helt okej men det blir lite som att bli myndig några år för sent

One of the best double albums of all time.

4.5/5

Esse é PICA

Featuring 28 songs and a duration of over two hours this sure is an epic album. Back in the day I did prefer the grunge (just a misspelling of punk) songs. Over 25 years on I now prefer the more melodic songs. It is certainly one of he most definitive alt-rock album of the 90's if not ever. Had I been a teenager in the 90's I would have been boring all my friends about how wonderful this was.

Listened to this a lot in the 90's. Great album

Liked it better than expected. Time has been kind to it. Hits sound great. Enjoyed the quiet and pretty album tracks too. Didn't like the loud distorted stuff. Too long too, at least to hook me in on first listen, didn't make it all the way through.

The more alt-rock style songs vibe with me, the more hard-rock / metal songs I could do without.

Godt album... Men please kill your darlings. Det er simpelthen for langt

This is a fascinating album. I really enjoyed listening to it. It’s musically ambitious, hearkening back to the golden age of rock albums in the 70s, but fully in tune with the vibe of its time. Nobody else was putting this kind of effort into an album in 1995. Some of the arrangements are beyond gorgeous, tempered with some equally blistering harder songs. Smashing Pumpkins have a musical range few other bands can touch and this album was the band at their creative peak. I’m partial to the more melodic songs on the album, but the hard rocking songs are also wickedly good. This band has the wonderful ability to turn on a dime from artful to raging that’s pretty impressive. The experience of listing to this album is a bit overwhelming though. It’s packed with some really excellent songs. The ones that were released at singles (“Tonight,” “1979,” “Bullet,” “Thirty-Three, “Zero”) are all pretty much modern classics, they’re so good. But it’s just so long, so very, very, very long. This album is suffering from double album syndrome like I have never seen before. It meanders, it lacks much of a coherent tone or point of view, packing in some of the best songs of the 90s with a lot of other songs that are high quality, but fairly forgettable. There aren’t really any bad songs on this album. But the sheer volume makes it hard for any but the absolute best to stand out. In a way, this feels like two albums, the melodic album and the noisy album. But it’s not arranged that way. Oddly though, had they released this as two separate albums, it would have been far less impactful. Fave Songs: Tonight, Tonight; 1979; Love; An Ode to No One; Bullet with Butterfly Wings; Thirty-Three; Lily (My One and Only); Cupid de Locke; Zero; Galapogos; To Forgive; Porcelina of the Vast Oceans

Rock oscuro de los Smashing Pumpkins. Varios megahits. Vinilo.

I assumed I'd give up on this thing's egregious length but muscled through the whole thing. Another album cemented in my mind by the dominating video presence of Tonight Tonight. I like a lot of what the band did musically but I really don't care for Corgan's singing and his lyrics are a particularly disagreeable blend of self-pitying, self-indulgent, and self-important.