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A little surprised that this album is sort of okay to listen to - not at all my usual choice A shame she doesn't stand alone, but feels the need to bring in the boys for support on several tracks And really, explicit lyrics are so unnecessary, given the talent on show in this collection

Some really nice chill vibes going on with this album while also having a nice touch of sentimentalism, romanticism and introspective writing. The most remarkable aspect about this album is undoubtedly SZA's voice. Her style could be define as that particular mixture of rapping and singing that is so common in the modern scene of R&B, with also a lot of expression in both her most fragile and her most radiant moments, and a unique accent that make her unique, even though sometimes it sounds incredibly close to Amy Winehouse's voice. Her lyrics are also one of the strongest points of the album, being very emotional through her insecurities and personal love histories. When it comes to the beats, their main purpose is to create the warm atmospheres that are present in the whole album, by staying behind the voice, filling the background with a lot of little details, specially from electronics and synths. For the negatives, I don't really have big criticisms. I think the record is quite solid and pleasant to listen to, but I also have a hard time keeping the focus throughout the whole thing, and maybe I don't find it to be that personally impactful. Still very nice. As a side note, I totally recommend seeing her life, as the concert I went was quite the show.

I really do live Sza’s voice. It’s smooth as butter. The subject matter is often interesting but an overall enjoyable album. Not as god as her next album.

Basically, pussy. In all seriousness, this was catchy despite not being something I would normally be into

I'm too ace for this

Why so many albums of this type on this list? Surely there are more meaningful and culturally important albums than this? I guess between 2012-2023 you just needed to throw together some vulgar songs in the name of female empowerment and praise followed? This is the 3rd-ish such album. Where is Cardi B in all of this? Where is 2LiveCrew is all of this? I don’t get it. 1/5

I had to listen to this multiple times before reviewing it (and it was worth it, if only to notice the Forrest Gump lyrics on the third listen). The production is so layered and varied, not to mention the songwriting, and it was difficult for me to absorb all at once. After sitting with it, I’ve found it to be a great summer album…at times beautiful, whimsical, ambient…always a good flow.

I enjoyed half of it, but probably because I was in more of a mellow mood when listening. Some of the lyrics were too much for my virgin ears

It was OK, not super my thing

Nothing I really like of can say is a must listen to

전체적인 분위기는 나쁘지 않았지만 이렇다 할만한 노래는 없었던것 같다. The overall atmosphere wasn't bad, but I don't think there were any standout songs.

This is a good album. I don’t always like her singing but I enjoy the music. When I first heard her music I thought she kind of mumbled through her songs this was clearer and I can appreciate the songs. I especially liked the song about pussy. It was way deeper than the surface level most think it is. I tend to curse a lot in my daily life so a few extra words in my music never bothered me. This was good.

There's been lots of hype over SZA in recent years but I didn't really hear why in this release. The production is solid and there were some ok tracks but overall, this sounded fairly representative of the genre without ever excelling in it.

This is #day745 of my #1001albumsyoumusthearbeforeyoudie challenge, and… what the actual fuck? I've seen comparisons to Frank Ocean, whose record I rated a 1 not so long ago. This kind of neo-soulessness follows suit and gets a 1 out of 5. I just can't. I'm pretty sure you mustn't hear this before you die. This is a 1 out of 5. Looking forward to #day746.

Incredible album cover, not my genre though. Appreciated the homage to The Pussy™.

Never heard before. Not my thing. I tried and actually by the end I was kind of ok with it. It's not something I'm going to want to listen to again but I wasn't desperate for it to finish. I'm trying to avoid just trashing everything with 1 star if the issue is simply that it's not my genre! Favourite tracks. Drew Barrymore was fairly listenable to.

Not bad but not really my thing.

Interesting. Very nice voice. Just not much I would want to listen to again.

I don't get why SZA is such a big artist. The album did nothing for me and it was quite forgettable

I know about her but completely slept on this first album. Very good. A little too inspired by Frank Ocean maybe?

La verdad es que este álbum me empieza bastante fuerte, pero después pierde fuerza y las canciones se vuelven muy repetitivas así como de relleno a pesar de eso pues siento que la voz de ella los ritmos la combinación como de jazz es muy buena y las colaboraciones que hizo

great album js not my style of mysic

Great R&B album, although SOS is better

again with the profanity... spoils the mood

Lacking in tunes and completely lacking in class.

Uh oh. I quite enjoyed some tracks but others were NOT for me. (I'm looking at you, Doves in the Wind, which I had to SKIP as I was driving up to the toll booth in case I gave the older gentleman attending the booth a heart attack). But then I think he enjoyed Drew Barrymore, so, 🤷🏻‍♀️

It's a vibe, most music like this is fun and casual to listen to. It's smooth and some of the synth work was very satisfying. But its not really for me, not something that rewards you too deeply with a deep eyes closed listen. Good but not great. 6/10 seems reasonable.

This was fine. It was well produced, but it wasn’t memorable to me

Was expecting more

ALBUMNAZO VIEJO CIERREN LA PAGINA FT TRAVIS EL MEJOR TEMA DEL ALBUM CHABON

14/08/2026 Absolutely not a fan of this, but at least it was non offensive for the most part. Spotify listeners: 66 million

Great Songs: Anything, 20 Something Good Songs: Love Galore, Doves In The Wind, Drew Barrymore, The Weekend, Garden, Broken Clocks, Normal Girl Mid Songs: Supermodel, Prom, Go Gina, Wavy, Pretty Little Birds Bad Songs:

This was a good r and b album. I like seas voice and this was a good easy listen if not to exciting.

An intriguing mix of neo-soul with some alt-R&B; interesting, fun features.

Moderne lyd. Om det passer på listen ved jeg ikke, men det er ihvertfald ret sigende for hvordan soul og hiphop er blevet til 2026 fløde.

Et ligegyldigt album. Det gør ikke noget for eller ved mig. Jeg kan holde ud at lytte til det, men ville aldrig aktivt opsøge det.

Chillaf hop

Warning, boomer rant upcoming. 60 year dude remembers a time that the R&B/ Soul sound truly made you feel the song, the music and wasn't so manufactured. Not a fan of most shit after the 90's. Listen, nice enough voice. Did find myself mellowing to some of the sounds, but the "feel" factor is missing for me. This was OK, but nothing I would put on as I was making the moves on my wife for a nice night. Old school over new school all day. 2.5

3.5 A modern-day R&B album from a sexually progressive young woman? I’m sure this won’t piss off the Boomers at all. Anyway, as a Zillennial, I’m well familiar with SZA as an artist, but truth be told, I really haven’t gone out of my way to listen to much of her stuff, mostly because I haven’t been too impressed with what I’ve heard out in the wild. However, I found this to be a surprisingly enjoyable R&B record. SZA is a talented performer, the production on this is phenomenal, and the confessional, vulnerable songwriting helped make this an all-around interesting listen. Typically, there’s a lot of oozing confidence driving this type of music, so the splashes of insecurity mixed in with the sexuality here made this a unique listen. Nevertheless, because she uses the words “pussy” and “dick” a handful of times, it seems some listeners want to write all of that off completely to call this trashy. I’m not going to lie, I did find the song Doves in the Wind a bit much at first, but, honestly, if you have a problem with it, I really encourage you to look into the lyrics. The song is purposely trying to make a point as to how desensitized as a society we’ve grown to men highlighting their private members, so what’s it for a woman to do the same? The noticeable bleep on the song is actually her censoring the word “dick”, further driving the point. And even then, the song is actually a chastisement of men driven by sexual urges, saying a genuinely passionate man (akin to Forrest Gump in this case), is much more deserving of these pleasures. While I can’t say that it’s a song I’d go out of my way to listen to again (especially in a public setting), I can say, if given the choice, I’d rather hear about SZA’s lady bits than I would Paul Stanley’s Love Gun or Bon Scott’s Big Balls. (Also, I liked the Redman sample on the track - shoutout to Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 3) The funny thing is, given some of the reviews I’ve seen, you would think that one song epitomizes the entire album, but it’s really the only one I might describe as raunchy in any way. One user on this site even referred to this as “celebrat[ing] trashiness”, and in clicking on their profile, I kid you not, they gave Kid Rock a perfect 5/5 - an artist who has not only built an entire career out of celebrating his “““trailer trash”””” background, but who also LITERALLY has a bar about liking underage girls. You can’t make this shit up. If some of the language on this album turns you off, I really implore you to look and think a little deeper. If nothing else, you’re really sleeping on some really good R&B music. The production admittedly can be a bit one-note at times, so it’s hard for me to pick favorites, but I really can’t say I disliked anything I heard or that it had worn out its welcome at any point in the 49-minute runtime. I can, however, point to 20 Something as a really solid closing track. I thought the stripped-back instrumentation suited it well, and more importantly, it seemed to sum up the themes of this album in a pretty relatable way. Haven’t we all been a messy 20 something at some point? Unless you’re a teenager right now I guess, in which case, I apologize on behalf of my generation and the ones before mine for totally ruining the world (heavy emphasis on “the ones before mine”). Definitely have a bit of a newfound appreciation for SZA. I didn’t think there was a lot of good R&B out in the world today, but this has me convinced I’m sleeping on some gems.

I haven't seen SZA sing, but it sounds like it involves a noodleneck and funny hand movements. This R&B is really not for me but it's actually well made. If I liked R&B I'd probably dig this album. Somewhat. A 3 is not bad coming from me, for R&B.

The worst offense of this album is how boring it is. The hypersexualized lyrics are gratuitous and lazy. The flow is repetitive. And the music is just uninteresting.

It was fine, I guess. There's some decent tracks in here, but too much auto-tune and pitch correction for my taste. A middle of the road 3/5.

Hip hop, not my jam

I don’t love how bass heavy the record is, but SZA has a great voice and most of the beats are great. I think I’m starting to enjoy rap which I never thought I’d say at the start of all of this.

Garbage. Poison for the brain. Remove the words, and you have something alright.

A cool hip hop/rnb album that has more production depth than expected. Some sounds downright new wave. Too track is Drew Barrymore for me.

Ctrl... alt... delete Actually , it is not that bad. Sounds good at times, but nothing that jumped out at me. I likely won't return to it - but I am not a big R&B guy... especially post 1970s.

This was pretty much what I expected from SZA. In my opinion she's overrated and this album did not dissuade me from that notion.

Made it to three tracks before I couldn’t take auto tune and crap lyrics no more

# Album Name: Ctrl # Artist: SZA # Rating: # Comments: Great voice. Sadly, a very bland album. Way too long as well. # Top Tunes: # Would I listen to it again? No

Not to my taste but interesting.

This pretty much defines what I dislike about modern hip hop.

Generally it's music that I don't really like, but I can recognise that it's done really well. The standout track for me was 20 something which seemed massively beyond anything else here

I admit that it was a bit much for this middle aged white guy but I won’t judge based on my sensibilities. I rather liked most of the songs especially “Drew Barrymore” but I do think it could have done with a bit of editing down. There is nothing wrong with keeping your album to 40 minutes.

Honest, sad...SZA has a beautiful voice! Her range is exquisite and tone quality is heartbreaking. I can appreciate the cultural references, even if I can't relate; her voice conveys the pain, joy, passion, anger - you feel everything along with her.

I loved her voice on this, so so pretty. I am not too well versed in R&B, but the beats were fine I guess, some I liked more than others. But overall, a super chill listen that I enjoyed a lot more than I expected beforehand. 3.5/5 (rounded down)

Muy buen álbum, hermosa voz. Algunas canciones me parecen malas en lo lírico pero en general me encanta

A collection of mostly mid-tempo run of the mill modern R&B songs with "edgy" lyrics. "Prom" is a pretty good pop song and "20 Something" is probably the best track but beyond that I just don't get the hype...though I am far from the target audience.

SZA's got a great voice but this is trash. Terrible hip-hop production. Awful autotuned guests. Lyrics that seem crude just for the shock value of it. This is one I wish I'd never heard.

Gear: Dunu SA6 Artwork: 😏🖥️🚮 Production: 🙂‍↕️🤔🆗 Music: 🎙️🎛️😖 Rating: ⌨️(⌨️)/5

4/10 It seems incredible anyone thought SZA was suitable to headline Glastonbury. Despite what the Guardian music critics would like to think, this music has no hold on the British music lover; it means nothing. We love fun and invention; we value music that generates magic through spontaneity; music that stumbles upon its beauty through genius noone understands. There is no beauty here. It is laboratory music. It is dull. It is bereft of everything that makes music an essential element. It is removed. It comes not from the soul, but the multiple heads of the writing team. It trips and traps according to it's mathematics. It is STEM music. It is algebra and formulae. It is the sex education parts of a biology lesson. So the worst headlining act decision in Glastonbury's history. Unfair on SZA as part of an experiment from the commissioners. People who don't Get It and are killing It. But music is much bigger than them. It will live and survive and they can't Ctrl it. This sucks.

Good but crude

Enjoyed this change even if it isn't my usual jam (3.5)

This was a banger, love a bit of SZA

Not something I would normally listen to, but it has a good groove.

shit by ass

Good production. Not a fan in general though

Many of the reviews with lower ratings sadly reeks of misogyny (and probably racism too)... Anyway, I liked it! It's cohesive and I can absolutely see myself putting this on again. No track really stood out as exceptionally good though.

7/10 Best songs: Prom I was not really expecting to see SZA on this list, and the fact that they chose to include CTRL over one of her later (more recent) albums is... curious... but it is a pretty good album overall: well designed, each song flows into the next nicely, and collaborations sound organic rather than forced. I do think that there aren't really any standout songs (in either direction - good or bad), and it's maybe 10-15 minutes too long, but I like it.

Beautiful vocals! I really like this album except for the recorded over the phone conversations.

Dug this one a lot. Very vibey and I could listen to her voice all day.

She seems talented but I did not like this. The lyrics sucked and if her speech impediment is fake it is annoying.

Don't waste your time

More less.

Wonderfully put-together. SZA's debut gets on my desk mere days to my 20th birthday and makes it clear why it is a quintessential release for college kids my age or so. Just a young adult experience. It's honest, melancholic at points, but washes up with unwavering pride on the shore. I might feel a bit hypocritical since my opinion on Jazmine Sullivan's record was lesser because of its great focus on sexual themes. Ctrl has that too, but I don't feel that it goes too into extra detail about it. Dick is mentioned, pussy is very much mentioned on Doves in The Wind. But unlike Sullivan, it doesn't rule the theme of this album. I don't know - it still seems unfair or maybe it's simply that SZA makes the better music. A mix of nostalgia hits here too because Love Galore was played every morning on the bus, Fall 2017. That was such a time for me, but anyways, this one is great (9/10, 5/5 on this scale)

Gosh a voice for a generation. I need more SZA in my life

some good, some fine, 20 something was so good

Not my thing. 3

Feels like a case where a few songs were so strong the rest of the album was seen in a better light. I enjoy SZAs later work a little more

Oh, for fuggs sake :'-( Please, please, allow us to give 0/5... this is getting cruel! Can I have a decent album on this list soon, please?

This woman really likes having sex using her vagina.

está muy bien pero tampoco para tanto!

I Mean It's Alright

Amazing incredible voice, weird songwriting

Autotune junk.

So good. I knew a lot of these songs because they were hits 10 years ago and have since become modern classics. I wish I'd listened to the whole album 10 years ago! Beautiful

SZA on taidokas laulaja ja levy ihan mukavaa kuunneltavaa.

It's fine, if a little uninspiring. The auto-tune is in full effect, which I could do without. Travis Scott is present, which I could do without. But the chill neo-soul beats are great. Somewhere between a 2 and a 3, for me.

me ha gustado pese al género

Always knew of SZA and heard that her albums were good but never checked out one of her albums until now. I loved this album WAY more than I thought I was going to. Groovy, catchy, and sensual for its entire run time. The features of Travis Scott and Kendrick Lamar are fantastic. If I can nit pick an issue its that it does feel like it drags a bit towards the end but thats really the only bad thing I have to say about it. 4.5 rounded up to a 5/5 PS - I don't get the hate this album is getting. Some real pearl clutchers in the review section getting upset when a woman openly talks about her sexuality. Go touch grass PSS - 3rd debut record in 4 days this week!

songwriting seems like it might be pretty good but it's hard to tell because it frequently tips over from well-polished and clean into overly smooth and indistinct.

Don't understand the hate on here for this -- it's perfectly fine. It's just made by a black woman for black women. Loosen up, fellas.

Rate: 10/10.

Mejor de lo que me esperaba, aunque solo me guardo: Love galore y Garden (say it like dat). Para ser un segundo disco está bastante bien y por lo poco reciente que he oído, me gusta menos el personaje que su música. Tendré que repasarla.

534/1089 - Beats are cool, I like the mix of electronica, neo-soul and hip-hop. Not a fan of her voice or the lyrical content.

didn't feel comfortable with how explicit some of the lyrics were

The 90's did it better with this style of pop/r&b. This came out in 2017 and it's not my jam.

That was A LOT more sexual than I thought it was gonna be. A whole song about pussy, and about cheating. One of my Exes and her friends love SZA, and I can kinda see it? but not really my vibe. But I can see where some moods I would be into it.

SOS is such a better album… but was fun to listen to her earlier album. 3.3

Eh. This genre just really isn’t my thing, so I have a hard time judging this on its merits. I did enjoy some of the grooves. 3/10 Ho Hum

I'm absolutely not the audience for it. Overall not for me, some good beats, but 2 stars.

Lyrically, I'm not the target audience. Musically, this album is great. Great melodies and sexy grooves. 4 stars.

Ok - so this isn’t my thing. It just sounds a lot like a lot of other modern music to my ears. Struggling to latch onto anything unique. Loses stars instantly for autotune - one of my pet peeves. 2

Her voice is so amazing.

Not my jam.

Not a great voice, cheap beats and honestly Kendrick sounded depressed. 1.7/5

No soy asiduo a sza

Yeah yeah yeah, pussy pussy pussy motherfucker blah blah blah. Dull.

this is a modern classic, great R&B album

A bit psycho but fairly representative of pop music at the time.

Put some pants on, please.

Yea it was fine some of the songs were vibey. I’m noticing a recurring theme with the post 2010 albums im seeing in this list though

Not to my liking.

A lot of edgy people dislike this album so I must hate it too! But unfortunately my ears work and I can’t help but hear a classic R&B album that shaped the sound for the genre for the next decade. Damn, I guess I’ll never be cool but oh well.

Not my style, but pleasant enough to listen to in the background. ★★★

This is interesting, original and dirty!

This was great. Fun beats. Shitty men. Great women.

I first listened to this album in full in 2022. I enjoyed it but after repeat playthroughs it lost some of the initial charm it had, and I ended up believing it was a fairly front-loaded album. I have not revisited it nor SZA's work at all since then, though I do enjoy her features. The opening track is excellent and I love when the drums come in. I wish she had let that beat ride out a bit longer. The highlights here are great and songs I revisit every once in a while. On the other hand, a lot of the record I find plain and forgettable. My largest disappointment is Pretty Little Birds, with a lackluster Isaiah Rashad feature coming from his biggest fan and a lack of excitement everywhere else on the song. Overall, the record is breezy and smooth, and never a difficult listen. Most of the instrumentals are lush and give SZA room to work, although sometimes I think both could be a little more exciting (Drew Barrymore). If someone told me this was their favorite record, I’d give them a high five. For my money, I’m taking Anderson .Paak when it comes to R&B.

Yeah this ain’t the type of RnB for me sorry, not that into the vocals, some lyrics and the occasional autotune misses me hard. The hiphop beats are fun enough that i won’t totally discard this. Standout is Doves in the Wind (but i don’t like the lyrics if i’m honest) and Drew Barrymore.

Not really my thing, but decent.

She has some good songs with Kendrick Lamar, but I've never really liked her solo work. This is my first time hearing this album and probably my last. Just doesn't keep me interested and I don't really care for anything about this album. Not awful all the time though.

Alright but didn’t stick with me

Love this album but it definitely is a bit bloated and loses quality towards the back half

Pretty good, great beats and solid vocals, does drag a bit at points tho. Highlights-Doves in the Wind, Drew Berrymore, Prom, and The Weekend.

I have not heard this before. Every time I see her name I think they’re talking about some long lost Wu Tang member which always throws me off. I think I’ve heard a few of these songs but I’m not sure, a lot of recent r&b has this sound and from what I understand it’s all influenced by her and this album. The instrumentation and beats are really good and she’s got a great voice. There are a few songs where some obvious autotune has been added for no reason, which is really unfortunate because she’s got a great voice and doesn’t need that thrown in. I guess it’s being used as an effect like the flange and echo that’s on a lot of backing vocals, but it’s a terrible sound and throws a plastic synthetic feel over everything. That’s my only complaint, everything else about this record is great.

Too generic for me. I also am not a fan of repetitive intentionally vulgar language.

What a complete pile.of nothing other than shock music, truly awful album.

She might have a nice voice. But you can't really tell through the layers of vocal processing and pitch correction. Still, I've learned an awful lot about her pussy. Has some great melodies and bass line. But I just can't get past that horrible autotune. And the "guest" performances are even more processed. An opportunity wasted.

Kenn mich in dem Genre zu wenig aus, warum genau ist das Album so wichtig?

Toll produziert und starke Gäste. Ist aber überhaupt nicht mein Ding.

her voice is incredible. good instrumentation, too, though i wish the lyrics were still a little sharper. i'm rounding up though because it's great to see this on the list :)

i like sza's whole sound here and the album cover is great. some songs definitely outshine others, but no real complaints here (except that i can't listen to the song with the kendrick feature at work since it says pussy one jillion times) favorites: love galore, the weekend, garden (say it like dat), broken clocks

Buen álbum de r&b, neo soul y todo eso. Me agrada pero la verdad no me mató. Bastante esperable lo que escuché. 5/10

Mucho mas chill de lo que esperaba. Un poco me disocié. Nota: 3.6

Didnt expect to like it but its good

What a pleasant surprise! Introspective and quite honestly cutting lyrics over some of the finest R&B production I've heard... this album was a definite success for me.

Sometimes I’m just not the target demographic

Some fantastic neo-soul with phenomenal production. Listening to it now it kind of struck me how much of a time capsule it is for the late 2010s, a peak in the R&B space. You've got some Travis Scott, some DAMN.-era Kendrick, some traces of Blonde... and SZA, of course, a whole beast of her own, especially at that period. LOVE her inclusion in the list! She approaches modern troubles in such a raw and vulnerable way, a relatability that you might simply not find in, say, a 1970s rock album. That's what makes this such a standout gem for me; and yes, some of those troubles include sex -- the mere mention of which seemingly makes many a reviewer on this site disintegrate on the spot. Also I love the decision of closing with 20 Something. I can't articulate it perfectly, but the album ending on a bittersweet note with a song about the uncertainty/anxiety of getting older really struck me. Very strong 4! Standouts: Love Galore • Doves In The Wind • Garden (Say It Like Dat) • Normal Girl • Pretty Little Birds • 20 Something

The reviews on this do not surprise me because there is nothing more the dry dick motherfuckers on this website hate than a woman talking about her feelings, and especially when that feeling is wanting to have sex. Do you want women to have sex with you? I have bad news, fellas - she's got to be in the mood first, and by the way one song about pussy sent so many reviewers running to the hills I imagine you all think putting on a Wilco album is a seduction tactic. Furthermore, anyone complaining about sexual content on this album better post their reviews of Appetite for Destruction (which initially pictured a robot about to rape or just have raped a woman on the cover) and anything by Aerosmith, because God knows there's nothing the average 1001 listener likes more than a white guy screeching in your ear about fucking 14 year olds! SZA is disarmingly vulnerable on this album, sharing her darkest thoughts. She goes from powerful and untouchable to curled up and alone over and over, supported by her beautiful voice and lush production. We rarely get to see so intimately into someone's mind as we do on CTRL, and I think this is why the album has stuck with me for so many years.

Pretty good!

Didn't enjoy this. Was surprised to find out SZA isn't British, because she sure sounds it a lot on this record.

First Listen; 2; Not really sure what to say about this album. It wasn't really my favorite and I felt like a lot of the tracks just ran together. Lack of hooks or sounds that grabbed my attention. With that said, seems not the worst I've ever heard and at least has a smooth sound. Favorite Track: Drew Barrymore

Sza cool

Spacey woozy genre bending pop with cool chamber pop sounds, pretty keyboard parts, some rap verses, some RnB/neo-soul singing, some hip hop beats. Great vocal performance, very accomplished but intimate. It’s cool to see pop with this level of authorial flair to it, full of playful sounds and an overall eclectic lo-fi bedroom feel. It’s just fine, well done but not really engaging. Lots of it sounds like it’s the intro/transitional bit of a song that never really gets going. Hard to imagine how this gets anyone excited - maybe you have to get into the lyrics.

SZA's vocals are definitely the focal point of the album. She creates a sexual and calm tone for the entirety of the project, making it very soothing and easy to listen. The Deluxe is also worth a listen

This album is pretty uninteresting. So cliche and with the modern hip-hop sounds that throw me off of this. She has a nice voice, it's beautiful in some songs, but, honestly, this kind of music is not for me. I've not enjoyed the least listening to it. I must admit a few songs on this album were more of my taste, but the rest is just bland. I can't find it thrilling, nor something to enjoy listening to. And I'm not saying that I would like some dance music, but at least something else, something to interest me, to trap me, to make me feel into it. This album just feels very plain and without any substance.

Would not buy

Agradable. Bien. Sin más.

Unusual 4 with no saved songs for me. Really good album with excellent vocals and production, but none of the songs really grabbed me.

just a delight, a star is born 4.5/5

Surprisingly better than I thought it'd be. Still not a fan or r&b

nice enough

bruh i remember listening to this whole album back in 2022, really liked got 3 quarters in and realized i was listening on shuffle. and just didn't feel like going back and relistening in order niggas on this site so prudish i hate. oh no shes singing about sex and saying the n word. whys it so hard for you pussies to catch a vibe damn pisses me off

Some of the lyrics are grating on my old man ears, but the beat, tune and general vibes make this deserving a place on this list

Really not for me. Her default pitch is irritating. I was hoping for a bit of variety but it was the same mush throughout.

I really hate this vocal style

There were some really cool songs occasionally sprinkled with absolute drivel. Like wtf was that dove song? It took away from the experience of the parts of the album that really shined, which is unfortunate.

Nice enough. Not really my thing.

wow, all these reviews definitely do not pass the vibe check. guys, relax a little

Better than I expected but still not my vibe really.

Really really good Dont know what I was expecting, despite how famous she is, im not sure i could have named a song But this is great. Production is great, voice is great, collabs are great. Good 4

This isn't something I would ever seek out or choose to listen to but I guess it wouldn't drive me out of the room.

Not my cup of tea but was fine for a car journey

Supa hot, no skips, one of the best modern R&B albums, put TDE in a different stratosphere, SZA rules

A middle of the road RnB album. Started stronger than it turned out, which is okay. These things happen. I particularly liked the track with Kendrick Lamar though. Nothing else really sticks out to me thinking back on it. I'll probably delete it from my server in the future.

The overuse of autotune and computerized drone rhythm tracks leaves me searching, in vain, for any hint of soul.

This feels like generic R&B. There wasn't anything particularly striking about it.

Gehört mit auf den Müllhaufen. Aber ordnungsgemäß entsorgen bitte!

R&b soul rap

Okay ish rap

I feel like this album was more than met the ear. Sure, it was a bit typical lyrically, just with a feminine perspective instead of the masculine take. But the musical compositions and genre blending is where it stood out for me. Simplifying it down to just neo-soul works, but kind of ignores the complexities. There was a lot of school sound in there and pulls from other areas of music. Even though a lot was happening, the production still sounded rather simple. It almost felt more like an indie record than a hip hop album at times. For me, though, I didn't really love it. I thought SZA was a talented singer and had some interesting stuff happening, but I didn't engage with it very much. While it seemed good, there were only a few tracks that grabbed me more than just being a fine listen. Also, it seems a little plant-y. She has some huge names featured on here as her debut album. The songs are all written by a team of people (not uncommon in modern hip hop), even if she is credited for all the lyrics. It strikes me as a bit disingenuous for whatever reason. Regardless, I can appreciate that a lot of work went into this and made something worth a listen. I don't think it was particularly great, but it is still enjoyable enough. Overall: 3/5

Nice to have some balance to the creepy male misogynists that fill up a large portion of this list. Woman can have a voice too, and that voice can be beautiful and powerful too.

Delightful

Terrible

She sounds very similar to pretty much everything else coming out of female pop since about 2020. This is an "OK" modern pop record with elements of R&B.

Impressive debut from a young artist. A nice R&B/soul mix with hip hop. Not what I normally listen to, and the lyrics from some of the songs were just not for me, but overall I kind of liked it. A few good songs in there. Likely won’t listen to the whole thing again though.

Not for me, still good 4/5

Couple of tracks on here are absolutely sublime. And one has the most awkward Kendrick Lamar verse you can be listening to when your kids walk into the room.

I don't really like SZA.

She says pussy a LOT

I’m a sucker for anything in the Kendrick universe, and this is one of my favourites. The lyrics are sharp - sometimes funny, sometimes poignant and it just sounds good front to back. I’ve listened to it all the way through a couple times every summer since it came out.

3.3 Neo-soul/hip hop. I liked the listen, although it doesnt really stick out as, let's say, the Janelle Monae and Lauryn Hill albums we've had on the list

Mais um álbum de jovens. Letras ousadas, um ritmo tranquilo que quase me parece um Lo-Fi. Voz boa. Eu não curto muito o estilo, mas imagino uma galera gostando de ouvir bem de boa.

Good production and vibe, I was just...bored. I've never been particularly turned on by bedroom R&B and that's literally all this is. If I'm not listening, it's a good ambiance...if I am listening, I'm waiting for something more catchy or interesting to come on.

Something more modern (still almost 10 years old, but I count it as a win)! Supermodel was a nice start to the album. It was actually quite introspective. Going into Love Galore, it fell into a few hip hop tropes at the start, but continued on to actually be quite a good listen. Travis Scott’s feature fit in well, and while I’m not a huge fan of this genre, I thought it was really good. Szas voice is fantastic as always. You know, I think I praised the album too soon. Doves in the wind talking about nothing but “getting/giving pussy”. I get the idea of the track, but I think there are probably better ways to get the point across. To move on, Drew Barrymore was actually great. I loved the focus on her vocals and some of the lyrics were really good. The Prom was great as well. This was followed by the Weekend, which I liked less, but still was alright. I didn’t love Go Gina. I really liked the music of Garden. The lyrics of broken clocks were SO good. It felt so raw and open. Anything had a good beat to it. Normal girl and Pretty little birds were again, so lyrically good and introspective. As a 20-something, 20 something was a great way to end this album. So good. Overall, this album surprised me a lot. I expected a lot of shallow but somewhat fun pop music. Not a bunch of beautiful introspective tracks. There was some of that shallowness to it in places, but Sza really surprised me. 4/5 ⭐️ 138/1089

I guess slow, electronic R&B just isn't my thing. There's a few songs on here that I like, and SZA has a great voice, but as an album it feels repetitive and sleep inducing. Faves: Supermodel, Doves In The Wind (feat. Kendrick Lamar), Normal Girl

Every time that I tell someone that I am a Kendrick fan, their first question is how I feel about SZA. I have long been embarrassed to say that I actually had no opinions on her because I was still quite unfamiliar. Having now heard this record, I can say that my opinion of her is VERY high, and I am very excited to seem more projects moving forward. The huge synth soundscapes on this record paired with some of the funniest and most vulnerable lyrics I have ever seen combine to form a hilarious, horny, devastating peak into the mind of the artist that serves as a clear inspiration to Doechii, whom I also quite enjoy. The Kendrick comparisons are very founded, but I was shocked to see that this record came out a full year BEFORE TPAB, which means that they clearly owe a lot to one another across the aisle. I will be listening to this one many times again. Standout Tracks: Supermodel, Drew Barrymore, The Weekend, Normal Girl

Not my kind of music. Though that pussy song was pretty funny.

another album that really confirms I need to buy this book to understand why this was selected on this list? Are there post 2010 album quotas for this list and there just aren't many options? help me understand!

Classicssssssssssssss

I found myself liking this way more than I thought I would. Also sexual as hell throughout. The features arent too shabby either (outside Travis Scott anyway). I can see why this was one of her most popular releases. Its dark but in a comforting way, also her vocals are top notch throughout. 4.5 if I could!

Beautiful album about longing and sexuality and inadequacy and intimacy and everything. I love this one

I really wish I could get into this but I just can't. R&B for whatever reason never really appeals to me, even if I can tell this is doing it well. 4/10

Seems quite popular according to plays on Spotify. I'm going be really old and grumpy and say that this barely does anything for me. The lyrics contain so much crap that it's hard to find anything of weight in there. Just your average contemporary jibberish. I mean, 'Doves In The Wind', come on. The beats doesn't feel fresh in any way either. Very vanilla R&B for me. I did find 'Prom' quite decent, but that was about it. This is by no means my type of music. I usually find R&B tolerable, but had a hard time doing so with this. Weak 2.

This list really only lists new music if it’s either by already established artist e.g David Bowie or if it is neo-soul/RnB. This is an RnB record which isn’t really my favourite type of music. I warmed up to it after a few tracks and I even thought the “Drew Barrymore” was decent. The lyrics didn’t really connect with me and the album felt quite samey. Still a quite an ok listen but I’ve never really gotten in to SZA before and this didn’t do it either. Strong 2.

One of my favourite artists! I first fell in love with this album because of "The Weekend". Then I listened to it in full and liked a lot of the songs. I'm not really sure how to describe this kind of R&B but Ctrl is committed to an introspective, laid-back vibe. It was trip hop for me before I even heard of the genre. It does overstay its welcome a bit with the last few songs. However, I still really liked the end result. With songs like Drew Barrymore and Garden, anyone can relate to inadequate for someone you like. Much prefer SOS than this album though. (4-4.5)

dont even need to listen to the album yo

A listen that is both comforting and provocative, with an angelic voice and God Tier bass lines.

Bad beats with terrible lyrics. Not much to say.

A lovely sounding piece of modern R&B. 4.5 bumped up to 5.

I’m at a 5. SZA has been one of those artists that’s just kinda hovered around me for a long time; she’s had a multitude of features I’ve enjoyed, and I’ve been wanting to listen to “SOS” for an eternity now, but I’ve just never really done it. I suppose this album popping up here & forcing me to finally listen to it should be the catalyst for that. I’ve heard 3 tracks from this album before; “Love Galore”, “The Weekend”, & “Normal Girl”, so I knew it would be good. I was hoping it would be great, and I would generally categorize this as great. Obviously, if you’re not big into trap / trap-adjacent production, a lot of this will bounce off. If SZA’s constant search for positivity, peace & control of her own life on this album comes across as whiny or too sex-centered, LOTS of this will bounce off, as it’s the crux of the album thematically. If SZA’s vocal approach bothers you… well, just get the fuck out, perhaps. Yes, she’s a little incomprehensible at points, but the control of her voice is lovely throughout this album, and the reggae flow to her vocal rhythm is something I’ve never fully appreciated until now. I do have some little things; nothing that would make me seriously consider bumping this down at all, but just stuff that feels like it wasn’t as fleshed out as it could be. I think the theme of “Control” isn’t quite as explored as it could’ve been – the phone calls to her mother & grandmother are great framing devices, and really effective ones, but their sparsity throughout the album feels like a missed opportunity. I also think she comes across as being in control a little more than she meant to throughout this album, so it doesn’t stick as cohesively as it could have. There’s a handful of times here where the trap production is a little overdone compared to the themes of the tracks, but most notably on “Pretty Little Birds”, where the soaring intent of the bird-driven imagery is met with overblown bass in a way that feels way too grounded, & the dichotomy just doesn’t work. I find myself ever so slightly confused by “Doves in the Wind”; it’s a really good track, and Kendrick’s pussy-filled verse coming in the same year he won a damn Pulitzer for DAMN is pretty damn funny. However, I just feel like it’s not as thematically connected to the rest of the album – the liberation of it all & the sex positivity reclaims control, but SZA’s desire throughout the album to move past the physical aspects of relationships sort of undermines it. I might just be overthinking it, honestly; I’m sure the two concepts can co-exist without negating the other. Those little things are all negated by the other side of the equation, which comes in how much I just enjoyed the album. The femininity of it all just worked well for me, and SZA’s ability to flip some usual tropes of this era on their head (see: a man getting passed around between multiple women on “The Weekend” as opposed to… well, you know) feels like something we need more of now that the pendulum is shifting the other way. When this album is rolling, everything just clicks. It does take a little bit to get rolling, but I chalk that up to a slight disconnect between “Supermodel” & “Love Galore” instrumentally that doesn’t flow as tightly as it could. Overall, I feel like a moron for not hopping on this 9 years ago when I should have, but better late than never. I need to go listen to SOS now. As far as this album goes, it’s a 5, and I think that nearly a decade on, it’s a pretty prescient pick to have this on the list, given SZA’s star is still shining really brightly.

holy sheet - i hadnt made time for this previously. i am so glad i had time to listen to this twice, back to back, without interruption. it is an incredible, cohesive album and reminds me a lot of Solange's A Seat at the Table.

I found it a bit difficult to care or remain interested in this. It's okay, I guess.

Great...just not my thing

Really solid and consistent from start to finish

She’s not bad but not someone I want to listen to on the regular.

I love SZA´s vocals but her lyrics are terrible.

Never listened before. Was good to expand horizons a bit

This is not for me.

Great vibes and top-notch production, and paired with emotional, extremely honest songwriting. But by the end of the record, it just sounded a little “One-Note.”

yeah sounded like a standard us hip hop rnb album to me

Will this work sustain? Idk. But I enjoyed it. 3.5.

Personal enjoyment: 2/5 Relevance to this list: 4/5

As an album experience it’s a lot of slow jams, but when they’re this quality you can’t really complain. 3.5 but giving it a 4 as 3 is way too harsh.

Moi, j’ai trouvé ça nul. C’était pas, musicalement, il se passait rien. La majorité du temps, tu as juste un rythme simple avec une seule sonorité nulle et parfois c’est un peu plus riche, mais globalement, il n’y a pas grand-chose, c’est franchement pas riche. Vocalement, SZA est plutôt une bonne chanteuse. J’étais embêté au début, parce que ça me semblait un peu trafiqué, mais franchement, une fois que les invités avec leurs voix ultra-trafiquées interviennent, je relativise vachement. Breeeeef, j’ai franchement pas grand-chose de plus à dire, c’était trop plat et inintéressant pour que j’ai beaucoup de choses à dire. Je suis curieux de lire les avis positifs parce que j’ai du mal à comprendre pourquoi quelqu’un considérerait que c’est un bon ajout à une liste de 1001 albums à écouter dans sa vie. Parce que au-delà de l’appréciation subjective, c’est pas original du tout.

Another album on this list I was lucky enough to be around for the release and hype for. Almost a decade later and I'm still impressed by what SZA did here. She took the R&B genre that was going through changes at the time and left her own unique stamp on it that inspired many artists to run with her sound, although not many could do it as well as her.

Decent album.

Beats were ok, overall not for me

ha nonie viel vo ihre glost. aber erste song het meeega öpis. sehr explizit und verletzlich glichzitig. drums chömed erdt am schluss ine au cool. und d gitarre wo kreist au nice. love galore hani weniger gfühlt. doves in the wind redt immer vo pussy, s isch chli funny aber au ernst. ah hoi kendrick. broken clocks kenni glaub? oder chunt mer bekannt vor. d production isch sehr glitzerig und glitchy zum teil. het huere en stil. irgendwie berührt mich moderne rnb seehr selte. vlt ischsmer z langsam. sie singt huere nice und mega expressiv aber naaja s chunt mer nöd aah irgendwie. cha glaub nöd öpis anders als es 3 geh.

han nanie würkli aktiv sza glost! de erst song isch na cool als ahfang, aber d energie vom uufbau chan sich nöd ganz entlade falls das sinn macht? TRAVIS jaa bö coole beat aber nüt umwerfends iwie he wnl kendrick chli vill pussy-erwähnige für min persönliche gschmack finds bis jz chli langwilig? so es isch idem sinn guet aber packtmi nödso garden (say it like dat) findi na cute allgemein ich finds "ahgnehmi musig" mit smoothi beats aber meistens lauft eifach chli leider 20 something isch en cute schluss vom album aber jo. es isch schön und smooth aber het leider würkli wenig in mier uusglöst ah und sie het mega e schöni stimm! I guess 3? brings nöd ganz übers herz, öppis schlechters z geh

I can see the appeal, which is the only reason I don't give it 1 star, but it's really not for me.

Really a pretty poor album that started as background and ended as an irritant. Doesn't justify a position on this list in any way

I swear every song from the mid-2010s sounded like this, not exactly different or interesting.

over rated, over produced tripe.

Pretty bangin. I liked the somg about pussy

*Read 1 star review complaining about sexual themes* *Click on profile* *Multiple highly rated albums with sexual themes* hmm, what could be the difference here? 🤔

Enjoyed this!! Not my usual style but well composed and creative

Not my thing

Alternates between being boring as shit and so morally and artistically bankrupt that it borders on appalling. I didn't know a female singer could be misogynistic, but here we are.

Great music even if not for me

Not really my thing. But she has a great voice and some songs are straight up solid. But not enough for 4 stars

Nice album

R&B, but with a rap mentality. Nice closing number.

It is well produced and interesting but I just can't stand R&B slop. Good for her though.

I really wnjoyed this album. I was somewhat familiar with SZA because I have listened toher most recent album but had never heard this before. I enjoyed the variety of singing styles and think the opening and closing songs are the standouts on the album.

Hmm. Not sure.

I like the chill sound of this album a fair bit, but it didn't land well for me. I would listen to a few tracks again, but the rest of the album felt kind of cold to me. Favorite track(s): "Anything," "Pretty Little Birds"

I tried. The voice is annoying, the lyrics are juvenile and lowbrow ( not in a sincere way, just weirdly crude), everything lacks dynamics, very one dimensional.

I really enjoyed this album. I only know of Sza from being featured on other’s songs. I’m surprised by all the negative reviews.

01) Supermodel - 7,0 02) Love Galore - 7,0 03) Doves in the Wind - 6,5 04) Drew Barrymore - 7,0 05) Prom - 7,0 06) The Weekend - 6,0 07) Go Gina - 7,0 08) Garden (Say It like Dat) - 6,5 09) Broken Clocks - 7,0 10) Anything - 6,5 11) Wavy (Interlude) - 6,0 12) Normal Girl - 7,0 13) Pretty Little Birds - 6,5 14) 20 Something - 6,5 TOTAL: 6,68 (67/100) Current ranking: 575/883

“Pussy like doves in the wind”

lowk might be perfect

This probably isn't for me, but it's good

Mostly monologue, a strong but elusive voice, more fragmentary beat-driven mood pieces with the odd live-sounding acoustic. Some refrains have stick, overall inconclusive. Suits the subject matter, vague, sexual anxiety.

Finally someone my kids have heard of.. I appreciated the window into a bunch of names from the past decade that I only know from tabloid headlines, and remain perturbed how gaudily explicit modern artists can be (used to a bit jokier? less direct? wittier?). Found myself humming along in recognition the second time around, so I'll be kind.

Musically sound, but lyrically awful. Potty potty potty

Marginally better than Kanye West.

No longer in the book. Too bad—it's a fun, raunchy, snotty, in-your-face R&B album with plenty of experimental elements. I'd never heard of SZA before, but I enjoy exploring what new generations are listening to. Never get old, guys. It shows, and it smells. 4 stars because I found this to be really cool.

Not my thing.

10’s Hip Hop

A really good album, I liked Supermodel, Drew Barrymore and 20 Something the most.

I really enjoyed this. It was better than I expected an I would likely listen to this again and recommend to others as well.

SZA is a gem. This record has everything. R&B, rap, soul, and dream pop. Her voice is visceral, the lyrics are poignant, and all of the beats and backing tracks are really cool. I really like the indie-esque dream pop nature of this record. Its easy to vibe with and kind of creates a platform to lay other genres on top of, which she obviously does throughout the record. I hadn't spent much time with SZA (outside of her work with Kendrick) but I was really blown away by this record. Really cool all around.

63# This must be the most recent album to be in this list and i don't understand why this. Not saying that this is bad, it isn't and I already liked it before, but i don't think it jas much relevance compared to other more powerful and inventive albums of that year for example

dosta nedobro... na početku, prvih par pjesama, baš žešće sranje, kasnije bude tu i tamo okej

I struggle a lot with neo R&B. On one hand, I find it overly simplistic and overly produced. Most of these tracks were not touching me. On the other, the vocals really shine through. In that way, this album feels top heavy. Gorgeous voicework over the top of some pretty empty sounding tracks. This album's inclusion in the 2018 version of this book feels like the authors are rushing to claim that they knew what would have a lasting impact years later. Feels desperate. This isn't a bad album, it's just stiff in all the wrong ways and doesn't feel like music for music's sake. Feels like it was made by rich people in a lab.

Ctrl by SZA was an interesting listen, even though it’s not really my usual style. I can definitely appreciate her talent—she has a beautiful voice and delivers the songs with a lot of emotion. However, the album didn’t fully connect with me, and I don’t see myself coming back to it. It’s not a bad album at all, just not something that suits my personal taste. Overall, I’d rate it 2 out of 5 stars.

I sorta get it, but the slow R&B, echo rap singing is not for me. Cool for SZA to break through as a woman but difficult for me to get through the album

Is it called Ctrl because that is the button you hold down most while cutting and pasting these repetitive loops? I don't like to be snide, but it's hard to come up with anything else. 1.5 SZA - Ctrl Here is the work of, apparently, a dozen different producers across 9 different studios and 3 years. Well it sounds like it could have been made nowhere much, in no time at all. The sort of musical sophistication that typifies this genre is, in my opinion, of the cheapest variety; add a fourth note to your chords and remember that base melody is the enemy - avoid committing to one note in the top line where half a dozen will do. All icing and no cake. A very old trick in shiny new packaging. No amount of confessional content about sex can lend even the slightest edge to this smothering smoothness. I pity any young people favouring this in their listening - shame on the coaxer hastening them towards premature middle age. 1/5

SZA got popular during the time where I wasn't really paying attention to rap at all, but I can definitely see how she became a big name in the first place. While this isn't necessarily my kind of rap, I did enjoy this album a lot. It's interesting that she apparently claimed this album had some trap influences, which isn't a genre I like, but I also didn't think this sounded like typical trap.

Sa voix m'énerve, R&B autotuné pas très intéressant

Je ne connaissais pas du tout, je vais mettre un bon 5 car c’est une femme + un style qui change parmi tout ce qu’on a entendu jusqu’à présent + j’aime bien la vibe (la voix fait penser à celle de Riri). Je vais aller découvrir davantage !

Très bonne découverte, on a rarement des albums aussi contemporains!

very good

This was actually pretty good. Pop R&B, but never obnoxious. Mellow, easy, good for background music. It’s got a good dose of that 20-teens era of no-music music. But she’s a good singer, and there’s enough actual music to keep it from feeling too empty. On second listen, I like it more. Several saves and only one skip. ⭐

I've tried a few times to get into SZA, intrigued by the Kendrick connection. I like some of her contemporaries, but this just doesn't click with me. Not for a lack of trying and the album grows as it goes, but I don't think I'll be back on a regular basis.

Fab modern R&B with a few standout songs, including Drew Barrymore and Prom. Also love the kendrick feature. Previously only seen Sza from her disastrous Glasto set and her songs ok Kendrick albums, so it's good to listen to her properly - great voice and solid production 7/10

Worst album I've heard in here so far. Couldn't even finish it.

I’ve never been a fan of this style of R&B; it’s just never clicked for me. Unfortunately this album didn’t change that. I can hear the talent, but the music doesn’t do anything for me. That said I don’t find it actively annoying, so 2 stars.

Quite enjoyed some songs.

Frank Ocean

Crisp, laid-back alt R&B that you can get lost in. While this was pretty typical for this sound at the time, it stands out for how stark it is. Often tracks consistent of a just a guitar loop and drums, creating pleasant sounds but letting SZA control the songs. She does this expertly, deftly jumping between high and low notes and floating between different vocal melodies with ease; those melodies are what give shape to the more formless instrumentals. Some of the songs like "Drew Barrymore" and "Prom" are more straight-forward bangers, but she's excellent on those as well. The lyrics can be confident but she also shows a lot of vulnerability on songs like "Normal Girl" and "20 Something." Not over-produced and down-to-earth, this is some of the best alt R&B you'll hear.

What a voice. I think SOS is a better album, but SZA is fantastic vibe music regardless. 3.5 stars

Hade hoppats på en "Frank Ocean"-upplevelse. Det var kanske naivt. Det är inte värdelöst dock. Men rätt mellanmjölk.

Gillar verkligen en del av SZA:s nyare grejer men hade inte hört denna. Habil och välproducerad R&B som har några höjdpunkter men inte höjden når mer än en stark trea totalt sett.

Really good LP

Again, I am not remotely the target audience for SZA. I appreciate the sound, the production is Vey slick, particularly the subs - bass and kick. SZA has a good voice, in that mildly auto tuned way in which a lot of RNB vocals are treated these days. Kendrick Lamarr appears. Apparently the lyrics are by mature and relevant to her fans, but I don't really get it.

Dull - complete with auto-tune vocals and insipid lyrics. Some decent R&B moments sprinkled throughout, but not enough to make this something I would ever want to listen to again.

Alternative R&B / Neo-Soul whatever they are, but I'm not a fan.