Done By The Forces Of Nature by Jungle Brothers

Done By The Forces Of Nature

Jungle Brothers

3.04
Rating
21857
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7%
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41%
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25%
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7%
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Hated it

not for me

It took just 3 seconds to recognise that I wouldn't like this - but in the interests of fairness I gave it 3 more minutes to be sure. Yep. I really don't like this. Early, 1980s rap music wasn't as absurdly racist, mysoginistic, violent, braggadocious, foul-mouthed and vile as modern rap, but it still wasn't much to listen to.

I don't like

Mi dispiace ragazzi, ma credo proprio di aver sviluppato un’insofferenza per l’hip-hop old school. Dopo un po’ le canzoni sembrano assomigliarsi tutte e gli album sembrano non finire mai. Sono sicura che questo tipo di musica abbia i suoi meriti, ma il fatto che il sito proponga costantemente album di questo genere ha irrimediabilmente inficiato la mia esperienza di ascolto (e alla fine la valutazione di un album, essendo soggettiva, non può che basarsi su questo).

Whatever, it's fine. I mean, some of the lyrics are really cringey. But overall it's okay.

2.5. Vähän turhan pitkä. Toisena päivänä voisi pyöristyä ylöspäinkin.

File under: nothing objectively wrong, just not doing it for me.

Not a big rap fan but found this more accessible then most of the newer rap I accidentally hear blasting out of people's car windows.

2 hip hop albums in a row? Please! More pleasant and musical than the other dozen or so I've listened to in this project - this is in the Fresh Prinz vein - yawn.

I so wanted to love this album. Probably just wrong day for me to listen, honestly. I've listened to a handful of conscious rappers in my time, but all are them are form the mid 90s or so. So their style had transformed because of gangsta rap. Plus, thematically, the back to Africa themes are only tangentially interesting to me. Lyrically, it's for that 80s vibe. Some of the songs on the back half seemed to have potential. Just today wasn't my day for listening to it.

3/10 What? Really? Ok, no. 5-28-2024

didn't like it that much

To contextualize my pessimism: i am writing this rn and it is 10:54(past my bedtime) and I am sat on the floor of my garage next to my dog waiting for the family friends we had over for dinner to leave. No hate to them but I’m tired and wanna sleep. This album did nothing to help my mood. So mid. It’s been too long since I’ve given an album a 5. I want to be fired up and excited and got going. This didn’t do anything for me and I hope the next albums are better. Again there was nothing wrong w it but it was just fine 5/10

4/10 - I am confused by the naming formats of the songs. Why are the Us and 2s and 4s in quotes. I understand that its not the normal spelling but I think people will get what they mean. When listening to the first six songs I was like I am not going to like anything on this album probably but Good Newz Comin' (good news is what?) was pretty good. Also having ain't no mountain high enough as a sample caught me off guard. I found it interesting how most pieces had a special drum that was unique to that song. Like the more classical bongoish drums, jingle bells and random other stuff.

Does nothing for me

Not for me I'm afraid

It was ok. A little too long of an album where it all kind of sounds the same. I was ready for this one to be done. 2 stars.

Lasted about 15 minutes. That was so bland it's impressive. I'm not sure if I'm meant to feel anything towards that.

I think I just wasn’t in the mood for this 2*

Bog standard.

I understand we would not have modern day hip-hop without groups like the Jungle Brothers. However, I simply do not enjoy this very old style of rap music.

This feels somewhere between a DJ mix and a dated Golden Age Hip-Hop album. Clearly, the fact that it exists in that grey area is historically important, but the result is oddly boring. The growing pains of that innovation are evident. Even as a fan of both genres, early House can feel a bit repetitive, and early hip-hop flows can lack a bit of charisma while also feeling lyrically preachy. Combined here, during both genres' toddler years, the result is bit of a drag, sonically and intellectually, and requires a lot of active listening for something that isn’t actively engaging, at least not by modern standards. The length is certainly not a benefit, and the inclusion of cool jazz elements only ties an anchor to the album's foot. Now, most of this would be forgivable – this is one of the first albums to Do This™ sort of thing, after all – and even if I found it bland by today's standards, I'd have to respect it for setting up those standards. But all that goes out the window the second they're joined by their contemporary peers, who all sound so modern and fresh on the penultimate track. That alone basically negates any credibility I was about to give this album out of “respect.” The thing is, though, I really liked their debut when I was going through the Rolling Stone Top 200 Hip-Hop Albums list a year ago. Maybe because that album had clear standouts and obvious singles. And maybe that’s why this was included in the book over their debut; this is clearly meant to be an album-length statement. There’s brief glimpses of something like a single here and there, but those are cut off in favor of the DJ mix element, and I think that makes this inferior. I get the sense from some lyrics on this record that they were a bit bored by the idea of chart success, but "I'll House You" is miles above any highlight I could find here, and feels more historically important, too. Sure, this is also an important album, but important albums aren’t required listening if they're not enjoyable. And while none of it is ever technically bad even despite its age, sometimes I think being boring is a worse offense, especially when you’re supposed to have been the inventors of hip-house, a subgenre that's all about energy. If time mellows your art out to the point where you sound like the antithesis of your creative mission, then maybe you never achieved the original goal in the first place. I worry that sounds harsh, because again, my main complaint is that it's just a poorly-aged product of its time, but I physically cannot imagine anyone rating this highly if they never grew up listening to it when it came out.

2.5 maybe

Pretty forgettable album.

2.5 maybe I was wrong about the last rap album. Maybe there aren’t hundreds of better rap albums.

This was not for me

A bit repetitive at times, and sometimes lacking depth, but refreshing for its more upbeat lyrics.

Not great, maybe wouldve liked it 10 years ago

***2.5 stars.

I think this was dated even in 1989.. Sounds like a made for movie band.

nothing stood out to me on this.

I got fairly bored listening to this. Very dated hip-hop that really didn't do anything for me.

I tried to like ut. Really do. Not bad. But just missing that extra sound to get going 5/10

Kind of like Tribe Called Quest without the magic, and like many rap albums of the time waaay too long. When I am world dictator it will be 12 tracks, 48 mins or the gulags for you. So really 2.5 but rounded down for length.

J'aimerais vraiment plus aimer ça considérant que c'est l'un des albums les plus important du golden age hip-hop. Mais malheureusement ça reste trop inoffensif et similaire d'une pièce à l'autre. Le style de rap "hippity-hoppity" aussi a un peu mal vieilli. Je comprends l'impact de cet album et il mérite s aplace ici, mais ce n'est pas tellement mon genre. 5/10

C'est très précis mais on dirait les musiques dans Brooklyn Nine Nine quand Jake s'enjaille... Au début j'accrochais pas trop mais ''what U waiting 4" m'a ambiancé. Probablement pas écouté en entier, j'ai du mal a accrocher longuement sur ce style de musique

What U waiting 4 ressemble à Do the Scarn we The office dans Threat level midnight. J'ai beaucoup ri. 2,5 ⭐

beats were solid. lyrics were cap. 2

80’s hip hop just doesn’t do it for me

Couldnt get through it. Every song felt the same

hour long cheesefest

I quite like some of the older hip-hop stylings from this era. This one feels a bit underwhelming in terms of the beats though, and the mix is really murky. It feels like it should be way funkier. And it's way too long. What "U" Waitin' "4"? is a good track, despite the MAD punctuation. Good Newz Comin' has something interesting going on. But it's not enough. 2.5 rounded down

Na het hele album geluisterd te hebben zie geen reden waarom je dit zou aanzetten in plaats van De La Soul of A Tribe Called Quest. Het zit een beetje in dezelfde hoek, maar het niveau is toch wel een stukje lager wat mij betreft. Hoogtepunt: Tribe Vibes. Die beat is z'n tijd wel een flink stuk vooruit. Sowieso zitten de wat meer interessante nummers meer richting in het einde. Een uur was sowieso te lang voor wat het te bieden heeft en eigenlijk kun je de eerste 8 nummers gerust overslaan. 2e helft van het album is best leuk en interessant, eerste helft totaal niet. Ik ben bang dat ik op een dag een berichtje krijg van iemand die zegt dat ie dit veel liever heeft dan Kendrick Lamar.

Tja... niet echt indrukwekkend te noemen, maar sommige beats waren best aardig.

Op een enkel hitje na vond ik dit maar matig

Ik had hier heel wat meer van verwacht.

Not really my kind of music

i don’t know it’s okay i guess

that fuckin' eighties

I didn't listen to the whole thing, but heard enough. Not my cup of tea. Specifically, none of the Jungleos had a voice that really made me lean in. I'm picky like that. Also, it's a little discombobulating to have a song like "Black Woman" and "U Make Me Sweat" on the same record. One seems to praise women, the other seems to catalog the ways in which the vocalist is put off by them existing. But maybe I'm reading too much into it.

About as inoffensive as 'The Chronic' by 'Dr' Dre (not a real doctor) is offensive. It is nice to hear some more of the 80s wholesome hip hop, in a similar vein to De La Soul. Musically, it lacks variety and it is very ' hi, my name's Louis', but is overall an enjoyable, sleepy listen. Rating: 2/5 Playlist track: Beyond This World Date listened: 01/08/23

Good beats, boring bars

p631. 1989. 2 stars. Hip-hop/rap, so wrong audience. Listened to it once, don't remember anything about it.

Not a bad album by any means, but it just shows how much hip-hop has developed since the 80s (and how diverse it has become nowadays). The beats are all very dated and samey and the flows and delivery are just the same all the way through. Nothing too exciting lyrically or emotively on here either, and at a full hour it’s just way too long for what it is

Très average, meme pour du hip gop

Has some nice tracks but overstays its welcome and gets samey 4/10

Samey samey rap technically nothing wrong with it but really not interesting 2/5

This is unflavored hip hop. Just a slab of tofu for the ears. Way too simple to be 60 minutes long. I was so over it by the third song, but they just kept going and going with the same flows, same beats and same lyrics. Curses. Foiled again.

Done By The Forces Of Nature by Jungle Brothers is an album that showcases elements of creativity and ambition, but unfortunately falls short in execution. Released in 1989, it was a highly anticipated follow-up to their influential debut album, "Straight Out the Jungle." However, as someone who has listened to it and found it underwhelming, I can only give it a rating of 2 out of 5. One of the notable aspects of the album is its attempt to incorporate diverse musical influences. The Jungle Brothers blend hip hop with elements of funk, jazz, and soul, showcasing their willingness to explore new sonic territories. Songs like "What 'U' Waitin' '4'?" and "Acknowledge Your Own History" demonstrate their experimental approach, incorporating live instrumentation and samples from various genres. However, despite these admirable attempts at musical fusion, the album suffers from inconsistent production and lackluster execution. The mixing and mastering feel uneven, often leaving the tracks sounding cluttered and unbalanced. The beats lack punch and fail to create a captivating groove, while the vocals often get lost in the mix, diminishing the impact of the lyrics and performances. Moreover, the album struggles to maintain a cohesive and engaging flow. The track sequencing feels disjointed, with abrupt transitions and an overall lack of unity. This lack of cohesion makes it difficult for the listener to fully immerse themselves in the album and connect with the music on a deeper level. Lyrically, Done By The Forces Of Nature also falls short. While there are moments of social commentary and introspection, many of the verses lack depth and fail to leave a lasting impression. The rhymes often feel simplistic and repetitive, lacking the poetic and thought-provoking qualities that define memorable hip hop lyrics.

Ka skjer med så masse hyphens

Cos I’m a jungle brother

Honestly I didn’t completely hate this album- however I wasn’t a fan of the actual rapping, which was a large majority of it. I understand why this could be labeled influential but not in my book.

Not too bad, don't mind that late 80s sound, but the lyrics are pretty cringey. I've mentioned before that you can't really turn an angry genre like rap into something with positive themes, at least not easily. At point I heard a nursery rhyme chorus, and the "mother Africa" nonsense is just cheesy and silly. I live in a colony and I wouldn't ever think of Europe as some kind of "motherland", and I roll my eyes at anyone who does. 2/5.

Bit of fun, not really my kind of thing though

Ok ish. Not my thing.

La insistència en discos random de hip hop és la gran fallada d'aquesta llista dels 1001. És clar que el pop i el rock tenen la seva proporció més que adequada, però posats a donar tanta preponderància a un génere com el hip hop, es podria haver repartir més amb altres d'igualment importants com el jazz, metal r&b/soul, country... que queden clarament subrepresentats. El de Jungle Brothers és un altre disc de vella escola del génere. Interessant, però gens special i molt llunys de ser una escolta essencial

Ehkä aikalaisena ollut toimivaa shidiä? 30v julkaisun jälkeen jää vähän nalli piippuun ja loppua kohden teki mieli jo vaihtaa levy.

It was ok but I didn’t enjoy it.

I listened to this album twice and it left little impression. It may be influential to some but couldn't I fluence me to give a shit. Would gladly forget I'd ever listened to this extremely unremarkable hip hop album

I lasted half way but it is way too repetitive.

I didn't care for this at all. I just can't get on-board with such repetitive backgrounds. Lyrics aren't something I focus on in music, so this could have been clever as all hell and it'd be right over my head. 2/5

I didn't hate it, but not really my thing. 2 stars.

Being such a young genre of music, Hip-Hop tends to be heavily era-dependent. This album arrived during the early years and it sounds like it. The rhyme schemes are simple. The flow is plodding. Nothing about this transcends. I’m a Hip-Hop fan, but this shouldn’t be an entry on this list ahead of: “Paid in Full” by Erik B and Rakim “ATLiens” by OutKast “Mecca and the Soul Brother” by Pete Rock and CL Smooth …and many more.

Ved det ikke lige, ikke super spændende

Vu et s'en tape

Det var okej, inte nåt speciellt egentligen.

Wasn't paying that much attention, but that's on them, not me.

didn't grab me in any way

Je n’aime pas vraiment et l’album est vraiment long 2.25

<yawn>

I like that the texts make sense and are positive. But the melodies are very repetitive, so I was bored.

Pretty cool 90s hip hop. Not my thing though.

80s rap crap - it goes on and on ...

Reached 45 on the billboard. Should have been consigned to history at that point. It sounds like a slightly more sophisticated Fresh Prince, Wiki says they are a descendant of Earth Wind and Fire. Mic drop. I’m out Cover art: 1/5 cheesy central

Okay, I guess.

A few fun tracks, but a lot of stuff that just doesn't stand out much from its contemporaries.

Best Song: Doin' Our Own Dang. The female vocals were more interesting than anything else on the album. Worst Song: Feelin' Alright. Scatting is something that can work really well if used sparingly. It just goes on too long here. Overall: The backing house-style instrumentals are nice. It's got a dance-y groove. Clearly influential, but hip hop aesthetics have changed so much since this era, so it is really difficult to listen to these simple and repetitive flows and rhyming patterns and get excited. I think it's the over-enunciation of each syllable that really kills it for me.

I could only stomach 8 songs.

B6ngle brada

Думаю, что альбом был прорывным для своего времени. Был;) В 90-ых другие мастера жанра записали немало классных альбомов и значительно превзошли первые пробы пера. Поэтому альбом заслуживает внимания как некое историческое событие и один из пионеров жанра, но сейчас звучит уже слишком устаревше даже на фоне олдскула.

Alright

The Jungle Brothers walked so that De La Soul could run. Sounds a bit dated. I got this album on the day a new Orville Peck album dropped, and apparently I have a thing for gay, masked country singers who sound like Elvis. So this never stood a chance with me.

I don’t like hip hop but I have heard worse..

A couple of okay tracks, but its a bit long and samey

Not as good as some of the other hip hop albums that have come up on this list so far

A little outdated sounding, not really my bag but not bad

Robert ne tire visiblement aucune leçon des notes attribuées aux albums de hip-hop précédents. S'il veut jouer au con, on va jouer au con.

Not really for me. Better than some hip hop but can't see myself ever relistening to it.

Oldschool Hip Hop

Not the worst hip-hop album ever, but also not even close to converting me into the genre

cool and fun, but not really my cup of tea. I found it hard to tell songs apart at times. Many of the songs were much too repetitive for my taste; just a simple backing track looped over and over. cool cover art. Lyrically it was fun but musically it didn't do much for me. Favorite lyric was about columbus thinking the world was a square.

An hour-long album was a bad call here. You trim off the twenty minutes of fat that is monotonous beats and shallow rhymes, you'd have something truly tight.

Not super great! There's some fun tracks, and it certainly starts out good enough. But it's just too long, and there are some songs that definitely should've been cut. If it were shorter and some of the bad songs were cut, it'd be a bit better, but I still don't think it'd be great or anything. I'm honestly not sure if this deserved to be on the list.

Infectious but repetitive grooves. Well-crafted, socially-conscious lyrics. Overall a bit of a one note experience. Felt way longer than it was.

Wasn’t bad, but just doesn’t do it for me.

couple of alright tracks but a bit earnest, a bit boring, and a bit dated. meh.

Totalmente para olvidar

Het kon er mee door, maar niet voor herhaling vatbaar. Zelfs wat saai op sommige momenten...

This isn’t for me

Sorry…not for me..😕

Suena a viejo totalmente prescindible a no ser que quieras acordarte de lo horrible que fueron esos 90

Never heard of the jungle brothers prior to this, the music was funky crazy and all over the place

No eipä ollut kummoista Viidakkoveljesten musa. Pitäisi olla se +30c lämpötila, että pystyisi samaistumaan tällaiseen lötköttelyyn. Ei jatkoon.

Pas tout écouté...

Cool funk/jazz sampled tracks

Vähän leppoisampaa menoa kuin aiemmat 80-90 -luvun taitteen rapteokset listalla. Taustamusiikkina meni ihan mukavasti mutta eipä tästä oikein mitään mitään jäänyt mieleen parilla kuuntelukerralla. Kovasti oli ylimittainen eikä jaksanut pitää otteessaan.

Good old school hip hop

Flaccid

Not my thing

I'm not sure why this album is on the essential list

Hiphop.. not my thing

Just another hip hop album. 👎

Almost fell into a coma listening to this

Feel bad and could be said not in keeping with the spirit of following this list, but I just can’t tolerate this stuff. Only redeeming factor is that it’s not gangster rap which is the lowest form of genre on this list. 1/5 6/8/26

Užas. 1/5, 1/10

Terrible

Sorry but no 💦

Drivel

0.6/5 Another album that solidifies my dislike for East Coast Hip Hop.

Definitely a poor man's Wu Tang with less experienced rhythms. The lyrics are a bit on the childish side as well though it is a fun album. Is it a rap album I could have lived my life without hearing? Sure, so many others that should be ahead of this specific album.

Yet another boring Hip-Hop album from a band that I've never heard of.

I’m not really into hip-hop, but despite that, I did listen to most of this album. Unfortunately, I won’t be listening to it again…

I expected more from this when other reviews said it was pre gangsta rap. It was still shite !

Not available in this part of the world- found that to be a relief.

90 talls hip hop som ikke har overlevd

not available

I cannot imagine paying to listen to this "music"

I've never liked hip hop and this album didn't change my mind. I assume the main point of it is the lyrics but I can't follow the accent and slang used so so it's a lost cause for me.

Did nothing for me

I don’t like it

Can not play on spotify

Hip Hop, 40eme album =>1/5

not my thing

Mer rap, orkar inte lyssna.

Didn't enjoy this at all. Good rhythms from time to time, but I don't remember anything else about it - and I listened to it just an hour ago.

Rap music is very unpleasant to me. This one is no exception. I just can't get beyond a 1.

No comment

Very boring

What a silly cover. But it fits the content. Just hip hop. It's not music. It's like a lecture or a speech with some kind of rhythm booming in the background. At least the listener wasn't constantly shouted at on this album. 1/5

Not my kind of thing..

Yet another hip hop album over an hour long. No need for it in my opinion. I quite liked how this was a very positive and upbeat sounding record in comparison to a lot of rap. It's got a cool groove and at times is quite danceable. 'Wat U Waitin' 4' being the best here. The beat is heavy on the funky, foot tapping bass. The second half of 'Good New Comin'' is really good too. It's got a spritely guitar solo with a lovely, catchy rhythm guitar too. 'Doin' Our Own Dang' is another highlight, again, because of the beat. This time it's a funky piano and bass combo. The actual rapping didn't really impress me or grab my attention. It's good but not amazing. Overall the beats feel very plain and the tracks really run together a lot and I was bored for most of this. There's some upbeat funk, but I want more! Three tracks I enjoyed out of sixteen isn't good enough I'm afraid.

Did absolutely nothing for me. No idea how that got on the list.

Hard to find and did not enjoy it

מה ההיגיון לעשות אלבום אם כל השירים זה אותו חרא

I'm pretty sure I might have heard this about 35 years ago, but with Spotify blocking the majority of the album it is difficult to say.

Absolutely not my jam.

This does absolutely nothing for me.

Not gonna lie I didn’t even finish this one. Ik it was ‘89 and maybe this was influential overall but I just can do another 20 minutes of predictable rhymes. A tisket, a tasket, I wonder what’s in that basket. Like what dude

This was a bit of a snooze. The beats were all the same sounding and the lyrics were a chore to sit through. I'm not saying I want rap to be about thug life. But I do want it, and all music, to have some emotional heft.

The moment I saw it’s hip hop from the eighties I had very low expectations… and after listening to the music I was vindicated. I mean, I’m no huge hip hop fan, but I can enjoy a lot of it, and really like some stuff like The Roots, Kanye or Dead Prez. Thing is about old school hip hop is that you usually get a very basic drum loop, a rapper that would be considered no good by modern standards, and maybe some basic loop sample. This is what we get here. It’s all very basic and dull. I can accept that it’s historically and culturally significant, and it could be a ton of fun to dance to in a party, but just as listening material it’s not enough.

The Good: There are lions in the jungle… The Bad: The lion hasn’t been able to eat anything for a while, and it’s getting hungry… The Ugly: I guess the mess the lion will leave behind once he’s able to kill something… Yes, as you can tell, there isn’t much positive I can say about this album. I have had to sit through 4 hip-hop albums this week, and thought this one isn’t the worst of them all, my level of irritation is. So please, if you happen to belong to the fan club of Jungle Brothers, don’t cry about my low score… cry about the poor family of whomever it was that the lion ate! 1*

More hip hop? Sigh...well let's give this a listen...well, it's pretty dull samey stuff throughout. Not my thing at all.

Not my cup of tea

No thanks :(

Just more irritating crap.

This reminds me of the way pandas eat. It's a fascination for a select few, but to the rest of us it's not a rather useless way to spend time

I actually like this -it's quite clever and easy to listen to but...... I switched the playlist to Grandmaster Flash who was doing this a decade before. Why vote for plagiarists?

Definitely could have lived without enduring this.

Too much jungle not enough brothers

80s rap.

Jag ska skicka en brevbomb till författaren.

Hip Hop

Alle Songs mit „U“, mit Apostroph- oder Gänsefüßchen sind schlicht schlecht und alle anderen noch schlechter. Es ist HipHop Rap mit nerviger Stimme und sinnlosen Bongos. Diese Musik wäre 1989 möglicherweise die Rettung der Stasi-PR Abteilung vor dem Mauerfall gewesen … so kann ich nur zur Aufnahme im 1-Star Club gratulieren.

говнорэпчик со скучным продакшеном

I’m not a fan of most rap. Including this one

Nonderdeju, alweer hip-hop? Wat wil je, mij chagrijnig maken? Wat een bagger, maar wel netjes uitgedraaid. 2/5

Sorry, skipped most songs. Not my style

Schlechter Hiphop.

Mais um esforço para escutar hip-hop.

Ei juhlimisen arvoisia kappaleita. Koheesio hyvä. Hyvän mielen hiphop ei pahoja puhuta..

Það tók þvílíkt langan tíma að komast í gegnum þessa plötu. Ég setti oft á pásu og næst þegar ég ætlaði að halda áfram var staðsetningin sem ég var á horfin og ég hafði ekki hugmynd um hvað ég var búinn að hlusta á því þetta var meira og minna allt sama leiðinlega lagið.

Skársta tegundin af rappi...en samt rapp.

Belly Dancin’ Dina // Kool Accordin’ “2” a Jungle Brother 1.5/5

chato mt chato

Dated, didn't like this type of music at the time. Still don't. Each to their own.

I have lost all patience for rap.

old shit

Some interesting beats, but still not a rap fan

Awful album!!!!

Boring rap album. No instrumental based beats. Heavy on drums and lyrics.

Old school hip hop när det är som sämst. Fyfan vad dåligt

There is something that I am missing here. The rhymes are not that interesting, the beats are forgettable and lack a punch and I am just baffled that this is even here. It has to be a one star even if it has influenced others to make much better rap music in the future. Nothing else to say

Not my style

No es lo mio aunque el clásico hiphop tiene su aquel

Hiphop que no m'interessa gens.

not my kind

Si lo escuché y ya no me acuerdo

... wakala

Satme kedeligt

Probably revolutionary back then, but too much old school for me.