The Stone Roses

Adore it. Another top 10 record for me.

1989 was the year when this album came out, reminded me of a holiday in Guernsey - going to a rave in an old derelict bunker and hearing Fools Gold, then hearing it later in the week at a night club in the town of St Peter Port on the island- literally dancing my socks off to it . From then on, Fools Gold became my summer tune & earworm, but more importantly it introduced me to the Stone Roses & a whole new world of music. I listen now with such nostalgia, along with admiration for the band & Peter Hook. There is so much influence taken from previous British music on the album, from the Beatles, the Who & Punk Rock, fused all together with their own personal input and style to forge forward to make a template (in my humble opinion) to contribute significantly to bring the best decade for British music since I've been on the planet.

I want to be a door, A door between the past and the future Where the future sounds like the past and the past sounds like the future That's what the Stone Roses have done here. Something that sounds so dated, yet so progressive and modern. It's the ultimate paradox, even to this date.

forever a favorite! Made of Stone a top 10 song.

No need to listen as a well known album

I'm a Gen Xer, but I never made it around to listening to the Stone Roses in their day. Incredible how this 90s sound took me right back to my butt-part hair and baggy jeans and sweatshirt days. Solid record front-to-back. However, a little of that wall-of-sound composition goes a long way.

Me levou de volta a quando eu era garoto e descobri eles, ainda que não achei super incentivo, acho gostoso dms

Lots of bangers but this brings back not great memories for me. Avoid.

Positively unremarkable. If this were a restaurant, it'd be O'Charleys or some other casual fine dining chain. It's no one's first choice or favorite, but no one's gonna hate it, either. A perfectly average 3 stars.

begon goed, tot 'zanger' zijn bek opentrok... "i wanna be adored" zei hij, maar met dat vlakke monotone geluid dat uit zijn mond kwam zal hij er niet toe komen... instant vergeetbaar

It’s a great album, but forgettable to me. I would gladly listen to it again, but to me it doesn’t climb its way to my heart. Reminds me a little bit of Grouplove. Top Tracks: Bye Bye Bad Man

18/08/25 - morning 5/5 I'll start it off with I wanna be adored is one of my all time top favourite songs ever. It is one of the strongest starts to an album I have heard. This whole record is an absolute classic. Easy 5 stars

I understand the significance of this album in terms of transition between two periods, and it's got a few good songs. But otherwise, meh.

Poppy melodies, psychedelic guitars, and danceable rhythms though the envelope of British alt-rock - a critical band to the Manchester scene. The few longer excursions have a sense of exploration and reckless vitality to them that I imagine was far superior in live settings (but still great on record). The fusion of genres is pretty seamless and sounds original, with some high peaks. The blander tracks are when they lean more heavily in a standard rock direction. Ultimately, there’s a lot of a great, unique, influential music here, but a few songs where it drags (particularly mid-album).

It's OK. I can see why my Northern friends go on about the Stone Roses, easy and unchallenging. Very retro considering this was released in 1989. It's halfway between the Beatles and the... Turtles?

As with quite a few albums I have had to remove the art from the artist. It is a well known fact that frontman Ian Brown is, and has always been, a complete dickhead. His anti-vaccination views are ill informed and dangerous. With that all said he is a charismatic front man, and despite not being able to sing, he can carry off the likes of, 'i am the resurrection' with great aplomb. I really like this album and it brings back find memories of late 80s liverpool and in particular, 'fools gold' is a masterpiece. Brilliant debut album. The best debut album of all time? Its up there with the best

This playlist was great, I personally wouldn't listen to these songs on any regular basis except for "Sugar Spun Sister" which I am adding to my playlist!

I wanna be adored - 7/10 She bangs the drums - 7 Waterfall - 7.5 Don’t stop - 7.5 Bye Bye Bad Man -7.5 Sugar span sister - 7 Made of stone - 8 Shoot you down - 7/10 This is the one - 8/10 I am the resurrection - 9/10 Fools Gold - 7/10 75/100 for one sitting.

Stranger things

The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses 1989 Background:The Stone Roses are an English rock band formed in the early 1980s. This first album of theirs received critical acclaim and is by far their most known and recognizable work. Some cite it as one of the most significant English records ever recorded. Interesting to note that the Stone Roses are the third attempt at a band by Ian Brown and John Squire. They became the main faces of the madchester movement when they switched to a more psychedelic rock genre. They also influenced and inspired some great bands, notably Oasis and the Verve Genres and Influences:Their main genres throughout their career were Garage rock, electronic dance music, Kraukrock, Northern Soul and Punk Rock. They have been cited as saying that their main influences include: The Sex Pistols, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, The Smiths, Simon and Garfunkel, The Beatles and the Rolling Stones. Interesting how some of those influences can be seen in this album. Tracks: I wanna be Adored~ At first glance a simple track with a simple meaning. Its stand out being the repeated line: I wanna be adored. For the first 40 seconds of the song its just some strange noises and no particular instruments. The song describes the narrator being possessed by the devil along with an eventual admission of guilt. The song ridicules those who are vainly obsessed with gaining the approval and adoration of others. She Bangs the Drums ~ Their first top 40 hit. Talks about a couple that has fallen out of love. It begins with him talking in the present (him being the narrator) in disdain for his former lover but quickly changes to talking about the past and the joy they used to feel. Waterfall ~ Definitely most recognizable due to its legendary repeating guitar riff. The song's lyrics, though often interpreted as a metaphor for breaking free and starting anew, also carry subtle political undertones, possibly referencing the socio-political climate of the time. Don't Stop ~ The most hated song on the album for good reason. Its lazy and is simply the previous track played in reverse with some new lyrics. It would have been fun for the start of the B side of the disc or as a hidden song but instead its the fourth track. Most people skip it to get to the fifths and it has the least amount of plays in the album. Bye Bye Bad Man ~ Commonly accepted as being a commentary on the 1968 student revolts in Paris against President, General Charles De Gaulle. Ian Brown stated: "Imagine a protester singing [it] in a policeman's face during the Paris riots. Then you'll get some idea what it's about" That pretty much encapsulates the mood of the song. Elizabeth My Dear ~ "“My aim is true / my message is clear / It’s curtains for you / Elizabeth, my dear.” An anti-monarchy message inspired by the Sex Pistols own 'God Save the Queen'. A quick reference to the band's punk roots. (Song for my) Sugar Spun Sister ~ A song about infatuation and the lengths one goes to in pursuit of love, often fueled by youthful naivety and superficial attraction. The lyrics, coupled with John Squire's guitar work, evoke a sense of innocence and the feeling of a special, perhaps even slightly foolish, moment in time. This is the one ~ In 1985 The Stone Roses were locked in a room by their record producer Martin Hannett and told they weren't allowed out until they wrote a song. This tune was the result of this curfew. Like many of their songs this has a number of Biblical references. A bit Nirvana-ish. Almost didn't make it onto the record due to its slight controversies and the fact it was really a song to be performed live. I Am the Resurrection ~ One of the most legendary English closing tracks of all time. One that became a Manchester United anthem all through the 80s and 90s is easily one of the most significant anthem songs to come out of then England. The song lyrics describe a broken down relationship between two people, one of whom is the messiah. The song is told from the messianic narrator’s point of view and reads like a hate letter for most of the song Overall: An album with many influences that went on to inspire many. Iconic instrumentals that stood out at the time. Lyrics commenting on poignant political issues with little worry about repercussions. A distinctly Rock album with traces of Punk. Personally, not one of my favourites but can definitely see where it got off influencing other artists. Final Ranking: Lyrics: 6/10 ~Lyrics that are consistently commenting on poignant political issues and they are easy to relate to for someone living in England at the time Originality: 8/10 ~ We’re talking about a genre defining album. Original songs and instrumentals and a type of music that hadn’t really been seen or popularized at the time Vocals: 6/10 ~ Good vocals but don’t really stand out that much Instrumentals: 8/10 ~ Great instrumentals that bounce off each other to really create the atmosphere and mood of the album. Album Flow/Cohesion: 7/10 ~ Most songs flow into each other apart from the infamous track 3 and 4 combo. The atmosphere is maintained the whole time and the tone is constant

10/10 lol

I am a huge fan of Hendrix and psycodelical music, but I came in kinda expecting I wasnt gonna like It that much since im not a huge Blur or Oasis fan, and they are the faces of the Madchester scene. But I was surprised, this album came in extremely strong, felt like I found something that wasnt possible in my mind. However, the second part of the album came weaker than expected. Not bad in the slightest, just felt a bit underwhelming and at some parts, It bored me a little, like they changed the vibe and It just wasnt It. It kinda went back up in the last two songs, but not like the first part. However, It still amazed me and its a 83/100 in my books

Just Stop was great

good late 80s brit rock. The vocals are understated and weave though reverb heavy trippy instrumentals. Easy to put on a listen through, despite not being what i typically gravitate towards these days. I would have listened to this way more as a moody teen, but have enough angst as it is in adulthood 4/5

Stunning debut album from the Roses.

Une très bonne surprise, sûrement un tournant à ce moment. On sent les influences sur le disque mais aussi on entend ce qui va influencer les groupes qui arriveront après.

It was alright. The only song that really stuck out to me was Elizabeth My Dear, which I really like, but it was also only a minute long.

Cool record. It's a full atmosphere. It's more psychedelic than I realised. There's some great jams and some fantastic bass work. I don't think it's a good sequencing idea to have waterfall followed by backwards waterfall but maybe that was less grating before waterfall was a huge hit? The jangly indie in the middle of the record lost me a little bit.

Kinda crazy that I've literally never heard of this band and I have also never heard any of their music before (to my knowledge)

I really liked this! I was plesantly surprised, would definitely listen to more!

An era defining classic. Pure and simple.

For me this is iconic.

6.8/10 I understand why it's good and popular but I don't think it's really for me to vibe with.

Seminal! A timeless blend of shimmering guitars, hypnotic rhythms, and swaggering vocals. After all these years, its infectious melodies and psychedelic groove still feels fresh, cementing it as one of the most influential British albums ever made.

Incredibly consistently amazing. A debut album so good they Could have made nothing more and still go down as one of the greats of their time.

Good solid album 3.5/5

Meh

The stars were lined exactly right when the Stone Roses created this album. It references what has come before while also precisely capturing a corner of the Britpop scene they led. The fact they never managed to do this again just makes the album more special. Every song hits in its own way, and to me the album has always felt like it's casting a spell.

The sequencing in this album is interesting. It starts and ends with absolute classics of the era. The middle is saggy and plodding. Made of stone, i wanna be adored, fools gold, iam the resurrection are all the equal of anything released in the baggy era. Just stops short of a classic.

Hell yeah, this is exactly what I was hoping to get out of this project. I’ve never heard of this band, and this is a great album. I love the random funk track and the threat to the queen using Scarborough fair.

🗯 Not Britpop — but the Big Bang that made it possible. One of the great debut albums! The Stone Roses’ debut is a perfect album. The songwriting’s off the chain, the guitars are delightfully jangly, the musicality is gorgeous. It precursed Britpop entirely — Oasis, Blur, Pulp all owe them a debt, and they’ve been honest about it. But this is its own beast: psychedelic swagger, Madchester groove, and a singer who could make arrogance sound like gospel. Songs! Songs! Songs!: ‘I Wanna Be Adored’ (slow-burn swagger), ‘She Bangs the Drums’ (pure dopamine), ‘Waterfall’ (that riff!), ‘Made of Stone’ (swagger + shimmer), ‘I Am the Resurrection’ (god-tier closer — one of my all-time favourite songs, full stop). Verdict: Essential For fans of: The La’s, Happy Mondays, Primal Scream, and feeling like you’ve just discovered the centre of the universe in a sweaty club.

Holy what an album! Great find

Fantastic album played it many times over the years

Wow, great sound, top tunes, unexpectedly classy, a real education for me, this is why I am here!

Good melodies but for me, too bland by half.

Oh, man. I missed out on this the first go around, I think I was a shade to young for these guys so it all passed me by, other than Waterfall. A real shame - this is amazing! Dreamlike summer vocals, and a soundtrack to the movie of your day.

Meh. Sounds like countless other bands before and after. The music is not bad but doesn’t make anyone clutch their pearls.

boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring

great album, irgendwie ein mix aus 80s und rock und beatles, geil

amazing 89!

I think I’ve listened to these guys once and I wasn’t impressed. I think of them as a noisy Oasis. Well, I’m older and wiser and music genre broader. Let’s see. On a positive note, I’m a minute in and I like it. Ok 5 songs in and I’m thinking a comparison to Supergrass. This is far from anything at the heights of Oasis. I’m not blown away. This may create some new fans but it’s not a stand out album in my opinion. It’s just….there Choice cut: Made of Stone

Not for me

This album was alright, chill British rock, none of the songs really stood out to me though.

2 and a bit good tracks, and I think their fans know it deep down

I quite like Made of Stone and Elizabeth My Dear. There's a decently large amount of variety in this album, but some of the songs can be a bit slow and dull. Still enjoyable on the whole, with some interesting sounds - especially in the guitar sphere. 3.5/5 stars.

Wow! I was surprised by the overall sound of this album

Very good

The Stone Roses is just one of those albums that i feel like is a 4 star album but i just don't really know why that is. This is an indie rock album so it has the sound that you would expect from an album like this being soft, melodic and somewhat weird. I do enjoy this sound like i do with a lot of indie rock albums but i do feel like this album is kinda sleep inducing. It is just really quiet throughout it's runtime and combined with that soft indie rock sound, i did find that my eyes were having a bit of trouble staying open. That being said though, i still thought the songs here were enjoyable to listen to and there wasn't anything that bad so it still say it is a very enjoyable album. Best Song: Made of Stone Worst Song: Don't Stop

Synes det var en del spennende her. Hadde tenkt å lytte på den en ekstra runde, men det blir med «first reaction». Svak firer.

This is a solid album that feels well thought out. Songs seamlessly blend together to form a cohesive album making it one of those albums you can't just listen to a couple songs from without listening to the entire album. I will definitely revisit this again soon!

Old school early indie meets the Beatles. Fun, energetic, and not terrible.

I am not sure if I have ever listened to anything from this group before. I like this sound immediately. I really enjoyed this album, will be going back for more.

Great vibe - very smooth and polished sound.

Your man squire is one of the best guitarists to come out of England

++: I Wanna Be Adored, She Bangs the Drums, Waterfall, Don't Stop, Bye Bye Bad Man, (Song for My) Sugar Span Sister, Made of Stone, Shoot You Down, This Is the One, I Am the Resurrection +-: Elizabeth My Dear 9,6/10

Great stuff. I get why people bang on about these guys being some of the greats.

Awesome! Will definitely be listening to this one a lot!!!

At first I was real apathetic. Another Brit rock or pop that I've never heard of that doesn't do too much for me? Maybe it was a shift, or maybe I started paying more attention but about halfway through I started enjoying it much more. Tracks 6-10 I really liked, but then it lost steam for me again. I liked the more malancholic lower key songs better. I whish Elizabeth my Dear was a much longer song. Standouts: Elizabeth my Dear, Made of Stone, Shoot you Down, This is the One Rating: 3.5/5

already listened to it, a favourite of mine, a sound i ascribe heavily to, love the baggy sound. one of the bands i feel the lead singer is one of the least captivating members

Maybe you needed to be there in late-80s Manchester to get the full extent of its influence I don't know. There are some good tracks on here (I Am The Resurrection is a clear standout) but this doesn't do it for me the way it does for seemingly every music critic ever. Sorry :-(

Smiths-y sorta stuffs, but they get weird and experimental with it and it's a fun listen. Starts off pretty strong, too As someone who has sold my soul and wants to be adored, this album is right up my alley

Easiest five stars ever. This record was practically my entire personality sophomore year of high school. A truly incredible debut.

This was pretty great. Knew fools gold already from tony hawks and can see why lots of people like them. In-between a 4/5 for me. Maybe a 4? Listening to this while working and would do that again as it fits well in that context.

3.5 stars

(re-listen) i absolutely love this album, i wanna be adored has to be one of the best intros to an album ever, the build up and everything is so perfect. truly deserves its place on this list. my honourable mentions are: i wanna be adored, bye bye bad man, shoot you down , and i am the ressurection. i love the sort of transition with waterfalls and don’t stop that was also a highlight of this listen

Pretty good. Feels ahead of their time. 4/5

better then I remember but not as good as the second one.

3/5 random song that i listened to after this was better so i guess this album is not for me

En ymmärrä miten en oo aikasemmin tienny koko bändistä ja tykkäsin kyl kovasti!! Tks biisi oli takaperin äänitetty nii seki oli tosi mielenkiintonen. Menee stone tosss ehdottomasti uuteen kuunteluun.

truly great album from top to bottom

What an incredible three-song start!

I was surprised by this. Put off by the scene, image and hype at the time and the painful indie discos that followed. Didn’t hate it. It has substance and musicality, and had a nice 80s feel to it for me.

Okay

this was good, better than expected.

Some is too simple (sugar spun sister) but the highs (I wanna be adored, I am the resurrection, this is the one) make this the classic it is

Great!

5/5

A good listen, some of the songs were very enjoyable. Mostly a solid but semi-slow alternative jam band album

This album had a magnetic pull. I Wanna Be Adored and Made of Stone stood out immediately. One oozing with ego, the other quietly unraveling. I loved the way this album blended rock with a psychedelic haze without ever losing its groove. There’s something hypnotic about the sound. It felt both of its time and weirdly timeless. I’d come back to this when I want to feel energized and a little detached from reality.

Been a favourite for years. 5🌟

While not directly shoegaze I always think if this band in that realm. Anyway, not a bad album. 3/5 #131

We can vibe with this lads Galet hur bra första låten var å sen blev det skit Resurrection var lite bättre iaf

Solid poppy rock album, great production considering it’s 1989- nary a shitty synth in sight. Decent vocals, strong songwriting.

jepeno

Deserving of 5 stars, truly. Only one song that was skippable. Cohesive, powerful album

This list has made me numb to 90's Britrock. I guess this is technically the 80's, but still. It's not bad, but I couldn't pull this out of the post-new wave milieu.

#119 - Quite enjoyed this, very listenable and nice sonic universe. Great album.

Hard 4 this one is.

She Bangs the Drum is an absolute scorcher. Rest of the album is full of bangers...a classic.

Three absolutely amazing tracks, the rest decent enough for chill listening

There are some artists that you first hear at the wrong time in your life. Thank god for this generator re-exposing me to The Stone Roses. Many years ago, I heard things about them and was interested based on their connection to the Madchester scene, already having been a fan of Joy Division and New Order. I kind of liked "Fools Gold" but just didn't click with anything else I heard. Well today I can firmly say that I am definitely a fan. This album is simply incredible, at the crossroads of indie rock and dance music, and infectuous from the very first track through to the seemingly never-ending (in the best way possible!) "I am the Resurrection". I really can't get enough of this album. It is a rare case where I consciously kept listening to the bonus track, the song that I already knew and have renewed appreciation for. This is an album that I put on repeat immediately after finishing the first run through.

I see why it was influential I guess, but nothing stood out.

It's an excellent album key down by a few fairly more meh songs. Easy 4 though. Uplifting in its way.

I didn’t know this album before, what a treat. Between a 4 and 5 for me, but because I have joy in my heart today I’ll go with a 5.

Why did they make a track which is waterfall backwards, no, actually, that's fine. Just use it as an experimental b side. I reckon if you take that off this album is close to flawless. So many hits. The drums and bass are incredible. The guitar lines are beautiful. Ian brown balances the right amount of pomp and confidence against what the song needs. Great stuff.

Nothing remarkable

Pretty good.

Mediocre Indy

I thought these guys were something else entirely. Enjoyed a lot of this, will require further listening

This was a pleasant surprise! I enjoyed my time listening to this album.

All-round good album, got some beats that bit and some that don't so much. It kept me entertained on my way to work and a few of the songs I will pick out and put in a playlist.

Not my shot glass of vodka

Such good vibes

Great lyrics, instruments, temporary, pace ,melody etc. All around solid album

Really surprised how much I am enoying this. Based on their name alone I was not a fan. Evan Dando/Lemonheads vibes for sure. Also see how blur, oasis were likely influenced.

This album had the feel of the 60s to the 90s. Really liked the music and his calming vocals. I Am the Resurrection stood out. Don't Stop stood out as terrible. 3.5/5

Excellent.

In light of how little material they actaully released, I find it quite amazing how the Stones Roses are being considered one of the greatest rock bands, evolving out of the late 80’s/early 90’s by many. Personally I Think they are overrated to some extend. That said.. This album is fantastic. There are no bad tracks and it is groovy and vibrant from start to finish. Epic!

I really enjoyed this one. It showcased a newer sound leading up to the cultural shift of the 90s. They were doing it before everyone else. Not a perfect album, but one that I could see coming back to and visiting over again.

This was a little bit of a meh album, where nothing exciting really happened, but it was definitely alright as a background listen. If you properly focus on the music, it gets a bit annoying, but if you are busy doing other stuff, it kind of just goes by in the background.

i want to be adored

6/5. I fucking love this album

Classic.

Best debut album of all time and should be known more

Enjoyed the harmonies. Diverse song spread. Nice use of distortion for this style. Surprised I haven't heard this one.

Big up The Stone Roses!

I bought this the day it came out and at the time was phenomenal. But I I don’t think it’s aged well. Seems a lot of filler on it in retrospect.

I already liked Made of Stone and This is The One Don't stop - 1:48 Forgot how good the singles are I Am the Resurrection is also very good, maybe lasts a little too long but its worth sticking with when in the mood This album has that entirely washed out but Powerful characteristic that I really really like in all kinds of music Not super into Fools Gold

Upbeat and dreamy, triumphant and bittersweet, anthemic and intimate - this album is pure joy. Tied for the best Manchester album (with Queen is Dead, Unknown Pleasures, and Definitley Maybe). John Squire's guitar playing is sublime, the grooves are undeniable, Ian Brown's singing is blissfully naive and direct, a perfomance that demands you belt out the hooks at the top of your lungs along with him. I Am the Resurrection is the best break up song of all time - so good it almost makes you want to get dumped just to really feel it. Noone could ever make an album that captures this energy again, even them.

Man, why have I spent literal decades thinking the Stone Roses weren't my thing? Especially because I love bands like Ride, the Charlatans, etc.? This album is great.

The first couple songs were CD 101 (Columbus Ohio's once amazing and now defunct alternative radio station for which I am very indebted for my musical tastes) classics in the 90s. The rest of the album feels pretty boring to me.

I know I’m giving everything 5 stars but god damn I love this album

i really like the first two and final two songs, but i find the middle to be… okay? fine? the songs don’t quite grab me the same way. i feel like if i listened in a different setting, i might feel differently. 3.5

I liked this as a good, fun bit of Brit pop.

Excelente disco. Celest Phoenixcall.

Their singles are top-notch, but the entire album gets boring after a while

One of the best intros to an album ever. Beginning of a new genre of music.

Another British band that was part of a scene I was not familiar with at the time, but now see in retrospective. Still don't even remotely identify with that scene, other than there were several cool, new sounding, bands that had some personality. Completely guessing here, but the Stone Roses were probably the coolest of these bands (like, Blur? Verve? Oasis? dunno) but never had the mainstream success of the others and broke up and did other projects. They were either loved or hated at the time and now people think the opposite of what they thought then. I wonder if these guys ever heard of The Beatles /s Not that there's anything wrong with emulating the Beatles - everyone does/did it. Not bad - if you don't like the "sound" of Stone Roses, there are a few songs near the end of the album with a cleaner, rock tone. Kind of a Herman's Hermits vibe to some of these tunes.

Cool band that I’ve never heard before.

Really nicely done

One hit and the rest is quite boring.

worst album ive had the displeasure of listening to. i dont care if the lyrics are meaningful if it means the most boring and droning music. god i hate this album "britpop" is so fucking ass

I def listened to it but dont remember lol. Its forgettable ig

Genuinely mad how many of the tunes on this would be absolutely sensational singles from any other album.

Startet nett, aber holt mich dann nicht ab. Geht mir irgendwie mit jedem Song so - löst bei mir nichts aus und wird mir daher auch langweilig da ich mit der Atmosphäre nicht viel anfangen kann. 80s Rock ist auch selten für mich, also nicht mein Genre. Vocalist fand ich ebenfalls etwas flach und eintönig. Gimmick mit rückwärts abgespielter Aufnahme (?) ganz cool. Letzter Song bringt nochmal was frisches rein und den Scarborough-Fair-Titel fand ich auch nett. 2.5 für mich, für meinen Spaziergang ok, würde es nicht wieder hören

Overall pretty good, didnd like the long intro to the first song but ended up really enjoying the rest.

Mag ich sehr!! Hab die meisten Lieder direkt runtergeladen, ist ein gutes Album zum nebenbei hören. Hab bei einem Lied angefangen nachzuschauen, was die Bedeutung dahinter ist und gelesen, dass es Bezug nimmt auf die 68er Bewegung in Paris - fand ich spannend Lieblingslieder: I Wanna Be Adored She Bangs the Drums Bye Bye Bad Man

hat ein wenig gedauert, aber dann hat‘s mich gecatcht, besonders bye bye bad man. die stimme wird nicht meine liebste, aber mag die lieder musikalisch gern

Easy listening, nice for background, with some experimental bits sprinkled on top.

Ok - genericish music, but very weird texts that I did not enjoy

Zuhause, Heidenheim, Deutschland. Solide - kann man hören.3/5

Not Bad but also mit for me

Started off feeling a 3, but issa 2 fo sho

Great cult favorite album

Just wasn't feelin it tonight

Era defining!

I wasn't wholly impressed, but She Bangs the Drums and Fools Gold were stellar cuts.

legitimately such a good album. An incredibly fun mix of electronica with synthwave and 70s style guitar makes for a fantastic 90s british pop.

It was fine. Just fine. Kinda boring.

After yesterday this was just ok

Not bad rock, but kind forgettable.

Awesome debut album strong 75%

Brilliant - never heard it before but great first impressions.

Started it one day and didnt vibe. Started on second song like a week later and it was super chill the whole time. Longer than it should be maybe tho. A nice late 80s evolution of beatles. More long winded, less vocal heavy but more instrumental. A nice new wave/early indie type sound i enjoy

i really enjoyed this !! good mix of my favs types of genres and easy to listen to, lots of fun

Inventive but thought it was just fine

algun temon pero despues mucho instrumental

Ah the Madchester (Manchester, UK) sound... it had to have a start... and this record is it... pop/rock music with a nod to the sunshine pop of the 60's... but what it really is, is a collection of good songs... and a couple grand slams in there... "I Wanna Be Adored", "She Bangs The Drums", "Made of Stone", "Waterfall", "Song For My Sugar Spun Sister" and "I Am The Resurrection" are all top songs... and if you get the expanded verson, you are TREATED to their best song.... "Fools Gold"... Five STARS.

Not awful though I could have done without the 10 minute bongo tribute to close out the album.

decently listenable! listened on the drive to the cottage. would play a few of these songs again; need to try to figure out what kind of playlist they would go into

Listened otw to the cottage so not super close attention. Still pretty good from what I heard

One of the easiest five stars I’ve given. Absolutely tremendous from start to finish.

This is really, really good. Straight bangers start to finish. I don't know how I've never heard of The Stone Roses; this is right up my alley.

"I Wanna Be Adored" é provavelmente a música que mais ouvi esse ano.

Much more low key than I expected

Top tier album!

Perfect album. No skips. Sexy too.

I like the weight of this thing!

Very interesting sounds and textures in this music! Album rating: ⭐⭐⭐⭐

5 This is the easiest album I have had the pleasure of reviewing thus far. When this dropped, time stopped. The 60s, 70s, and 80s all met in this retro-forward Manchester music. This is the big bang of BritPop and how it even came to cross the ocean. We bought every format because we needed every morsel they were serving. A stone cold classic that destined them for greatness and myriad problems in following it.

10/10

Not a huge fan, some of the more upbeat songs reminded me of the smiths in a good way. High two

Felt very bland, not bad though, just kinda elevator music-ish?

Standouts I Wanna Be Adored She Bangs the Drums Waterfall Made of Stone I Am the Resurrection

Essential Manchester zeitgeist album, ultimately a one trick pony band, but at the time it was splendid.

I may have heard these guys before. Pretty easy jangly indie pop listen, predating the Britpop explosion of the 90's. It was odd to read that apparently this record had been associated with rave and dance culture in England, as I don't think that this sound emits that sort of vibe at all (expect maybe the groovy "Fool's Gold", which was tacked onto the US release). Perhaps this can be enjoyed during a weed high I guess. Regardless, this was a strong debut that seemingly reached higher and higher as the album went on. The guitars shine here, backed by driving drums and a powerful/prominent bass. The last few tracks are long, but brilliantly showcase the marriage of the above. The vocals really amplify the overall dreamy experience too.

One of the best debuts of all-time.

It's pretty insane how ahead of their time their sound is. 1989 is an insane release year for this record. Same as when you listen to Surfer Rosa or Doolittle. Except that a bunch of the music that was inspired by The Pixies was actually good, and the music inspired by The Stone Roses was...less so.

Not my vibe but I enjoyed it

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Alright, so here it is then — The Stone Roses album - and it’s a proper game-changer, this. From the first jangle of “I Wanna Be Adored” you know they’re not messing about — it’s like they’ve nicked a bit of Byrds, thrown in some swagger from the Pistols, then sloshed it through a Manc raincloud of attitude. Ian Brown’s not so much singing as pronouncing his own legend, and Squire’s guitar is shimmering like it’s just wandered out of a dream you had after necking too much cider behind the Arndale. You can’t help but think, “This lot know exactly what they’re doing,” and you’re a bit jealous you didn’t do it first. There’s summat in it that feels like the city had woken up again — now we had a proper soundtrack to walk past it with our chins up. “She Bangs The Drums” should be piped through Piccadilly Station, and if “I Am the Resurrection” didn’t make you want to kick down the doors of your local indie disco and claim the dancefloor in your Adidas Gazelles, you might already be dead. It’s not just an album, it’s a statement — Manchester’s back, and this time we’re wearing flares and a bucket hat.

a bit tired

i liked happy mondays better

I have seen this album cover about a million times, and I think I've even heard a few songs off it. However it's not been something I've shown much interest in. Maybe this is something I've been missing out on. It seems the general consensus around it is that it's great, so I'm looking forward to a listen. I Wanna Be Adored Deep and dreamy sound with some really beautiful background effects. Love the punchy drums. Awesome atmosphere, the dark and powerful bassline really adds to the slickness of the sound. Unique vocals. The drums continue to impress. Fantastic. 5/5 She Bangs the Drums Evocative lyrics. Love the way the guitar flows on top of the rhythm section, has a generally pretty sound to it. The chorus rises nicely making it distinct and memorable. Really like where the vocals sit in the mix. Fades out nicely. Great. 4.5/5 Waterfall Very lively and harmonic atmosphere. Love the deep, distant bass sound. Very fitting structure to the chorus. Great guitar riff, wonderful solo. Hypnotic instrumental section. Great. 4.5/5 Don't Stop The backwards tape effect is a really interesting choice. Gives the track a very psychedelic feeling, while still managing to sound coherent. I appreciate the slower tempo. Good. 4/5 Bye Bye Bad Man The isolated guitar is a great way to start the song. Love how it pans subtily. Has a decent rhythm to it. The lazier, not as intense vibe comes at a good time in the album. Kinda bored by the vocals. Good. 4/5 Elizabeth My Dear That's Scarborough Fair! Not very subtle in its messaging. Cool to hear somethibg so anti-monarchy. Good. 4/5 (Song for My) Sugar Spun Sister Loud guitar. Very pretty chord progression. Evocative chorus. I really like the subtle backing vocals. Great drums. Good. 4/5 Made of Stone Opens sorta bleakly. The dark bass and the omnious guitar makes for quite the gothic atmosphere. Catchy classic sounding chorus. Love the psychedelia of the instrumental break with the clashibg guitars, the awesome drumfills and the ever present bassline. Great. 4.5/5 Shoot You Down Quite a unique start compared to the rest of the album. Sounds really liquidy and deep. Love when the instrumental makes way for the vocals. There's an interesting melody to the chorus. Just an all round solid instrumental with an infectious v8be that's really easy to get lost in. Fantastic. 5/5 This Is The One I like the more vocal focused direction of the verses. Lovely drumming, really loud, powerful and intense. The largeness of the chorus is really interesting, this is the exact sound so many other UK bands tried emulating in the following decade. Works really well here. Great. 4.5/5 I Am the Resurrection Great bassline. Has sort of a sentimental feeling to it. Kinda boring verse structure. I like how the chorus builds up to its climax. Lovely guitar passages. Catchy and rhythmic instrumental section. Really like the drums here. An infectious groove with psychedelic undertones. Great. 4.5/5 Fools Gold Awesome percussion. The cool, smooth guitar riff adds a lot to the groove. In a strange way the moody vocals fit with the funky nature of the track. Good groove, good atmosphere with some interesting effects thrown in here and there. Love when the additional instrumentation comes in at the end. Good. 4/5 I was definitely missing out. This album is a treasure trove of unique and beautifully written rock tunes that don't seem to have aged a day. The chemistry at display is really something else. Very impressed by the drumming, and the bass playing on here. As well as the solid songwriting. Could definitely hear their influence on other bands that would emerge a few years later. Will need to revisit this, as I'm still astonished by its quality after the first listen. There's just so much to take in and appreciate here. 4.5/5 rounded up to a 5/5

The album has a very laidback and chill vibe, even when the lyrics don’t match (looking at you, Shoot You Down). Overall it was an okay listen. Nothing jumped out at me either as great or terrible. 3

Amazing and under appreciated today. Catchy lyrics, catchy riffs, groovy beats. I forget how guitar-driven the songs are. Stellar pop music.

Quelque chose dans la première track qui me met dans le mood de 3 d'Indochine. L'atmosphère planante et les gammes pentatoniques à la guit. Déjà dans le mille pour moi. Je connais rien de ce groupe là mais il y a un drapeau français et ça sonne new wave. Dont stop a une vibe revolution 9 et Lucy in the sky. Quelque chose de The Shins et Death Cab. Je pourrais réécouter ça 1000x dans une journée j'imagine ça vaut 5 étoiles.

Un classique du britpop. J’aime tellement l’intro avec I Wanna Be Adored et sa ligne the bass enivrante. Après c’est hit après hit!

Yer twisting ma lemon, man

I really liked!!

Great album which takes you back to the late 80s and early 90s. It was a very daring album and I was impressed by the bravery to use a track played in reverse to create a new song!

A comfort album. So many great singles coming together with the other tracks holding their own like "Elizabeth my dear" using the traditional ballad Scarborough fair.

It's just a great album from start to finish.

What a signature sound. Ian Brown vocals over Johnny Marr style guitars. The bass and drums sound like veteran session musicians 20 years deep - not kids. A fully formed debut. They might have had a lot more content this good had they not signed an awful recording contract. A lot of bands have tried to sound like the Stone Roses since, and none of them have lived up to it. The album is already perfect and then I am the resurrection and Fools Gold kick in to finish. It sounds like a greatest hits. Unreal 5/5

Iconic.

Even now, with everything that came after this LP in the form of Madchester, Britpop and a belated reunion, The Stone Roses debut still sounds totally distinct from anything else. There is magic happening on this record. Save for a couple of tracks it’s wall to wall hits and songs that are developed and robust enough that they still surprise after countless listens. Despite being influential, band’s that have drawn from them never quite recaptured their magic.

I love this record as much as I did when I was 16, the bass and guitars especially. Probably helped get me into indie music.

The guitars shimmer over the ethereal vocals on (This Is The One is a great example) and their songs seem to unfold delicately to reveal their story.

didn’t listen thru all of it but it seems okay

realllyyy good made of stone i am the ressuiraection i wanna be adored

This was excellent, I’d never heard it before but this was fantastic. It has a little bit of a 60s vibe which is always a good thing in my book. I’m a fan of the opener, “She Bangs The Drum”, my favorite was “Waterfall”. “Bye Bye Bad Man” is also a pretty good one. “I Am The Resurrection” was also a fantastic song.

Started like The Replacements meets The Cure, but got a bit softer and brighter later in the album. Was okay.

The rollin stone temple guns n roses. No wonder I keep mixing them up. Don't think I've heard these guys before, though. It's alright. At times very Beatles inspired. Made of stone gave me a nostalgic feeling in the chorus for some reason. I think it reminds me of another song I can't remember right now. Oooooh, Fools gold. So I HAVE heard stone roses before. Bold move to save it till the last track. Not sure what to give it. It's too good for a 3, but not good enough for a 4. I put it as 3, but it's actually 3.5.

10/10

I half agree with Neil Kulkarni. The first three tracks are the best things on this. Made of Stone and I Am The Resurrection are good as well but a lot of the other tracks are pretty forgettable except This Is The One which is irritatingly catchy.

A very interesting, fun album with a variety of driving rock beats - it's hard to equate them with another similar band or style, but it's very enjoyable, I would listen to again

Nice

Decent album! Suprised I’ve never heard this band. A very eclectic album with lots of styles. Good background music.

i listened to this and i enjoyed this but also i feel like i didn’t really /listen/ to it. Few songs on there i already knew and liked, always a pleasure

34/1001. Shoegaze meets britpop in this classic. Yes, I have it and yes it was important for me at a time ...and still manages to play nicely in most situations it seems (this time mostly in the car and with headphones). So much has been written about this album and the band and the long-waited sequel which I guess was a disappointment for everyone that it is hard to add anything relevant. Somehow this seems to fit right between a musical gap in the history of western pop & rock music, and that is probably the reason it is on this list (and on my shelf). Does this mean I love it? Well not immensely. But I like it.

Absolutely incredible. Massively replayable record with so much to offer. Great songwriting, melodies and playing to the point that it's hard to believe this is a debut.

con este disco empezaron los 90

espectacular

This is the first time in a long while where I listen to an album and think “they had zero intention of having any of these songs play on the radio” You can hear the influences, almost culminating to a “best of” the times and styles of music while almost foreseeing what lies ahead for music in the 90s. Strong classic punk meets new wave/post punk while maintaining anthems of the 70s

Another UK act from a particular time frame that probably doesn't really deserve a spot on the 1001. That said, these guys aren't bad.

Nice 60s rock feel

Not for me

Track by track it’s just incredible

It’s the got damn stone roses self titled lp

It's a damned good album, and "Resurrection" is a killer track....but it's just not as wonderful as it's fans pretend.

Meh. This just has low key Oasis vibes without the catchiness.

I feel like they write great riffs and hooks, but the songs don't move me. Like it's amazing pop, but doesn't hit deep in any way. Maybe if there was a Dissect series about this, I would 'get' it, but until then it's just 4 stars. - Strong opening. Spacious sound, hard to describe. This album is apparently 'legendary', so we'll see... - Idk, it's fun and unique but missing something. Easily 3.5, maybe a 4 but it's a long album - I can see how this is the music Radiohead was listening to in their early days - Droned on at the end, but not in a painful way. Going around for a 2nd listen (noted by *) * Intro is STRONG. Points for that. Though the actual song itself is just fine

Un brit pop muy sofisticado, me hubiera gustado descubrirlo en la época en que salió.

Very chill and one I’d see myself listening to again

The album wasn’t bad. I’m not sure how influential it was being released in 89 but it was pretty good.

Brilliant album, another from my youth. They always seemed kind of like dickheads, but they were really on form here. The only song I would consider dropping is Don't Stop, the rest are great! 9/10

It's fine. Not to crazy and different pretty much sounds the same from everything in this Era.

sounds like R.E.M but if they were from the late 60s

They didn't want to be the Beatles as much as Oasis, but it's there in some tracks. I've only ever heard the big hits, but this was OK.

It's clearly influential, but it all feels a bit up itself for me. She Bangs the Drum gets a star, and to be honest there's not much else I remember from it other than it all being very "we want to be the new Beatles" faffing about.

Tracks I liked: I wanna be adored, she bangs the drums, song for my sugar spun sister, made of stone, first part of I am the resurrection. Loved the Scarborough fair inspired interlude in the middle. The somewhat dream poppy vibe was cool. Would I revisit this: maybe. Sure.

Reminds me of the Pixies, but slightly more tuneful.

Stone cold classic album. Distinctive and wonderful. Has really lasted the test of time. Easy five stars.

Great and Great

I want to like it more. Some of the bass lines tell me it's going somewhere, then it doesn't. Honestly it might be my expectation. I thought they were a "harder" sound. Then when I got 80's rock band #3 I went, what?! So I decided I'm going to listen to it again later now that I've got one listen in. Cause right now it's a 2. Alright after another listen I'm happier about the album. It's very chill and great to walk to. I can see myself listening to it again. I suspect this album grows on you. Even though it's not my favorite it is an enjoyable album....

Not very good. Too long and boring. 2

A Manchester classic for a reason.

Absolute gold

Favorite Track: Shoot You Down

I dunno who this 'Chester' is or why he's so MAD, but this was a pretty fun album

The Monkees or maybe the Byrds, but amped up and fuzzy, with some dance beats and long solos. Plus acid. Even more acid than the Monkees and the Byrds. I know there's a lot of love for this record, but I listened three times today: while there are some huge hooky gems, there is a fair bit of filler. Hate to lose any Anglophilic cred, but I think this album is overrated.

Great album. I remember being introduced to this by a roommate with the phrase "you never heard the Stone Roses Rose..."

Another one suffused with nostalgia for me, but it didn’t live up to my hype. A few songs are magical, and obviously the sound was super influential for Brit pop, but much of the album is forgettable.

Very bland

The Stone Roses have a very distinct genre-bending sound (A mix of 60s pop, 80s pop, 90s rock sound.) However the lyrics were a bit strange and the repetition put me off of a lot of the songs.

i wasnt interested in this for whatever reason

The ur-Oasis, the origins of Britpop, the linchpin of extremely English dudes playing guitar music in the 90s. There’s a lot of muddled middle on this record but on a fresh listen there’s something unassuming and subtle about this one that keeps it apart from some of its contemporaries. These guys don’t sound like they’re desperate to be rock stars, they just have a sound and play it. But it’s not a fully formed sound at this point and I don’t know if it ever would have been.

if they let me create a genre i would call it baggy

On dirait Paul Simon qui chante pour Wilco ou The National (et je trouvais déjà ça avant d’entendre « Elizabeth M’y Dear », qui reprend la mélodie de Scarborough Fair). Au vu de la date de parution, je dirais qu’ils étaient avant-gardistes. Je me pensais bien passé l’an 2000

some nice tunes, would give a 3.5 but I can’t so I’ll be nice and round up

Britpop couldn't have started stronger than with this album. Made Of Stone and I Wanna Be Adored sound so fresh, they could have been made by the Arctic Monkeys in another timeline. Fantastic album that keeps on giving.

Geweldig album! Nog niet zo heel lang geleden echt leren kennen en sindsdien wel een liefhebber van dit album. Veel hidden gems hier. 4.8

blaaaand

Hell of a debut. I didn’t love it all, but the highs made up for the lows. Some excellent guitar/bass work that certainly isn’t in your face but buried in the layers.

I really wanted to love this. It has flashes. But never really comes together.

I sat with this one for a week. Its a grower. Made of Stone was a highlight. Many songs made me think of Jesus and Mary Chain with no fuzz.

Mediocre

4/10

Perfect Sunday album

One of the best albums ever made!

WHOPPER

Somehow never listened to this album before and had a load of songs on that I never knew were by The Stone Roses. This is a banger.

Made of stone and this is the one are my clear favourites. Enjoyed this more than I remember when I last listened

Nothing stuck out but certainly wasn’t unpleasant

ik vond don’t stop een hard listen, i wanna be adored is wel een bangertje waar ik toen ik 14-15 was veel naar luisterde maar nu beetje beu gehoord (song for my) sugar spun sister vind ik ook wel echt fkn nice, zeker top 3 van het album, heel aanstekelijk i am the resurrection is ook wel top 3 samen met sugar spun sister en i wanna be adored. goed album maar had soms wel de neiging om iets nieuws op te leggen, een andere artiest en album hahahaha, misschien gewoon een te lage attentiespanne en te lang album

A classic Britpop album, before Oasis and Blur!

This is the most British sounding album I've heard. You can hear where Britpop came from on this album, and since I'm a sucker for Britpop, this is getting a high rating. I like just about every song on this one, except "Don't Stop" which is just a little to out there for me. Otherwise, a lot of fun music to listen to. The guitar on "Fool's Gold" is fantastic, "Waterfall" is just a fun song, and the bluesy "Shoot You Down" is a great song to put in the middle. I'd never really listened to this one before, but it is another easy 5. A lot of British alt rock was inspired by this one, and for good reason.

I liked this more than I expected. It was poppy, groovy, with some 80s flair.

I really enjoyed this. Nice and chilled out without being boring. The last 2 tracks maybe go on a bit longer than I’d want, (although one of them wasn’t on the original release so I’ll give it a pass) but other than that and the track with the backwards instrumentals I really liked it. Struggled to pick a favourite because there were so many songs I liked. Fav song: I Wanna Be Adored Least fav: Don’t Stop

It was good, but not memorable to me.

This style of vocals keep me from liking a lot of bands that get labeled psychedelic rock. Guitar part in Waterfall is catchy. This and Shoot Your Down, This is the One, I Am The Resurrection, Fools Gold are my favorite tracks. Cut it down to just these songs it's a solid 4 star EP. Lots of songs that are objectively good, but overall it's not really for me. Back half of the album just pulled it up to three stars.

First time listening this and I can absolutely hear where many early 00's indie bands got their inspiration. Totally understand why I Wanna Be Adored is rated so high but I was rocking to Made Of Stone and I Am The Resurrection.

Pretty cool but this era really had shitty mixes

What are you gonna do when Maggie Thatcher destroys your future? Molly.

…every member of Parliament trips on glue…

Can't say I was familiar with the Stone Roses before listening, so this was a nice find. I liked the sound they had here. It was both reminiscent of older eras but also modern, even decades later. It could've been released as an indie rock album in the last few years with the style and tones used. Its influence must've been pretty swift, since it's got similarities to certain 90s bands as well (Oasis comes to mind). All the parts worked well together. The guitars, bass, drums, and vocals all complemented each other to make each song a nice whole. In the same way, the songs all worked well on the album together. They complemented each other to make a complete effort that was enjoyable to listen to. Even though some tracks were long and the album ran close to an hour, it never felt like it was dragging or growing stale. There really were no bad songs on the whole album. That said, there's not a lot here to say it's a great one. It's good, but a little bit boring. For the majority of the record, there isn't much going on but the simple compositions you might expect on a poppy rock record. They do make it a little more interesting for the last couple tracks, having extended songs that were stylistically diverse from the previous 10 tracks. The second half of I Am The Resurrection might've been my favorite part of the album. But that just made me wish they'd added some of those funky vibes in earlier instead of holding them off to the very end. And then making the last track 10 minutes (it was fun, but that was a bit much). I'll keep this one high on the good scale, but short of the great scale. I'd definitely listen to it again. Overall: 3.7

Pleasant 1980s sounds, good for morning

excellent proto-britpop ahead of its time. so deliberate and intentional, but without losing its edge. lots of interesting textures and production flair. no Oasis without this record. solid piece of work.

full of nostalgia

10/10 The Stone Roses is a band/album I had never heard of before, so I was pleasantly suprised with the ability that this band had to offer. Great love story telling, I especially loved how it developed into an ending I didn’t expect. Combine the story with some great rock elements and you have another 5/5 from me.

This is a perfect album. It will always be in my top 10. It is so special to me.

No me ha gustado mucho, la voz está bien y musicalmente muy guay pero las letras no, no ha habido ninguna de 12 que me haya gustado.

8/10 rock

I found this reasonably enjoyable although I didn’t think the album necessarily had any standout songs (asides from those that are more well known so they stick in the mind). But it’s a impressive first album, interesting that this was probably the peak of the band’s work. I think what I like most about the sound of the album is the mixing of different eras, there’s definitely some pop 80s in there but aspects of earlier eras like the 60s comes through too.

Already a fan of this album. Definately if you took all of the Stone Roses work and did a top 10. Most of it would be on this album. They are a little formulaic at times with their songs but despite this I still find it enjoyable and they break out at different intervals to provide some great guitair solos. I just find it very unoffensive. Its also like a dance tune the way it has consistant backing and the "tune" is then stuck on stop. It therefore has catchy guitair hooks that repeat in a similar way in my opinion. Anyway I have a hangover so best I cant get out of my head right now!

First impressions were really good with 'I Wanna be Adored'. I really like the really ethereal rock sound that seems to be ahead of it's time. The album then seems to foreshadow the Brit pop of the 90's but still has elements that throw back to older English rock groups, 'Waterfall' reminded me simultaneously of the lightning seeds and XTC. The album faded into the background a bit after my initial impression, but all of it sounded pleasant then some upbeat poppy sounding tracks at the end turned my head. Definitely warrants a repeat listen, an interesting album that seems to balance on the threshold of the 80's and 90's styles.

One of my favorite albums. No filler. Essential

That sound - just flows through the album. One great song after another. Such an influential album.

Fun! I’ve never heard this album before

A solid 3.5/5 album with some interesting entries. Don't Stop and the Backward/Forward compatibility was quite clever to be included in the album. I think certain things were left to be wished like a more lengthier "Elizabeth My Dear" or a less shorter Fool's Gold as it seemed to drag towards the end. Overall it will be bumped down to a 3 with it's rating as it wasn't as enjoyable as some of the other 4s so far.