Spy Vs. Spy: The Music Of Ornette Coleman by John Zorn

Spy Vs. Spy: The Music Of Ornette Coleman

John Zorn

2.26
Rating
20210
Votes
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35%
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25%
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23%
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11%
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6%
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This gave me a headache.

1.5 - the hectic jazz is cool for a bit but becomes exhausting to listen to

Jazzy noise.

Not enjoyable at all. Chaotic noise.

Experimental? I'm either going to love it or hate it. Jazz? Don't really get it. I have found a few jazz albums I like, but I don't enjoy most of them, Experimental Jazz? Hell No This is just noise. There are a couple of tracks near the end that approach sounding like a jazz album.

Fuckin drugs are doing it

The whole thing sounds like noise piled on top of noise. Everything feels mangled together with no real rhythm or groove to hold onto. Instead of swinging or even locking into chaos in a satisfying way, it comes off like everyone is just playing whatever they want at the same time. I get that it is supposed to be free jazz, but this felt less like experimentation and more like a mess.

This made my work day so chaotic in such a short amount of time, it was impressive. This is some jazz I'd hear on the Eric Andre show. But I didn't have the comedy of the show to go with it. It's way too much and I hated it.

I feel like this is supposed to be some sort of avant garde masterpiece but I don't get it. I love a lot of albums of this type that get a lot of negative reviews like Locust Abortion Technician but this album just fell flat for me.

Clearly, they know how to play their instruments well. They just don’t know how to make music. This album was hard to listen to.

Not on Spotify, Jazz

Musical Show-Off jam is not music

Yep that is impressive shit

First album I just could not listen to... I managed 10 mins. I'm sure there is a lot of talent here somewhere, but this is just unlistenable.

This sucks. Just because it’s jazz doesn’t mean it’s automatically good, this is unlistenable. I do absolutely love the cover art though.

Don't try to pretend this is anything but a room of arseholes trying to fart over the top of each other.

Great cover, but totally unlisteneable. Not just because it's hard to find, but because it's actually unlisteneable. I still very much support this album's inclusion on this list over another eg Elvis Costello album.

Straight booty cheeks 💔

what the actual fuck

No. Fucking. Chance.

Crazy how an Ornette Coleman tribute album made it to the 1001 albums to hear before you die list over an actual Ornette Coleman project, like what was the author thinking here? Are they stupid? Anyways I guess I have a very loud and obnoxious Avant-Garde Jazz album to here and I am not going to shy away from saying I know without even hearing this in full that I am not going to enjoy it. I am not saying I hate Free Jazz by any means but I am very particular about it and I can promise you without a doubt in my mind, if there was any Free Jazz album I'd enjoy it would definitely not be a cover album of Free Jazz music. There are some slight glimpses of something great here, much like with a lot of Free Jazz music, but as a whole project this thing is all over the place and extremely messy. I wish I had more to say here but other than the more Rock/Metal elements John Zorn brings to the table, there really isn't much to see or even really enjoy here unless you are already huge on both respective genres involved. Nuff said.

I get that this is probably avant-garde and creative, but I’d be lying if I said any of it worked for me. I would say I like jazz but I’ve never been a massive fan, so with that in mind I was hesitant already, however finding out this was an almost reinvention of it, scared me more. This was abrasive in all the wrong ways, and although the tracks were all very short they all just blended together for me, as dismissive as that may sound. Put simply it was an experimentation that didn’t work for me.

Horror. 3/10

Man you have got to be trolling with this shit. 90% of this shit sounds like the LeBrin in the studio with 2 Chainz meme

20 seconds was enough. Anxiety Jazz is not for me. I reckon this album is used in Guantánamo.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHtrumpetAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHsaxaphoneAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHjazz.

Free Jazz - Full Disclosure - I didn't find the complete album but based on the 13 songs I did listen to, I was able to form a solidified opinion on this album. This genre may be called "Free Jazz" but I would pay money to never hear this album ever again. If this music were a word, this album is what "Stress" sounds like - chaos embodied in saxophone form. The drums are somehow tight but willy-nilly. The good news is that each tornado of a song does end quickly. I will say that it did elicit a physical response out of me but that response was making my palms sweat. 10/10 not a good time if you have functioning ears.

Come on now. I think this epitomises my dislike of jazz. I mean, what the fuck is this. It's completely unlistenable. I can't believe I went out of my way to find this and what's more spent 41 minutes listening to it. There's zero structure that I can identify. There's no melody. Do people actually enjoy listening to this? I don't care if it's making some sort of artistic point I think this must be the the top 3 worst albums on this list so far and we've done over 900! 1, feel very harsh on Depeche mode now after this mess

Spy vs. Spy: The Music of Ornette Coleman by John Zorn is one of those albums that’s oddly hard to track down — and once you finally do, you start to wonder why you bothered. I’ll be blunt: this is awful. It feels like lazy, chaotic jazz played at you rather than for you. The constant, overbearing drumming never lets up, smothering whatever ideas might have been lurking underneath. Instead of sounding exciting or confrontational, it just becomes exhausting. It’s noisy without being interesting, intense without being engaging, and genuinely hard work to sit through. I get that this is meant to be abrasive and experimental, but for me it comes across as self-indulgent and joyless. There’s no groove, no hook, no moment where it clicks — just relentless clatter from start to finish. Favourite tracks: None. I honestly couldn’t pick a single one. Least favourite tracks: Every track — they all blur into the same unpleasant experience. Album artwork: Genuinely brilliant. Easily the best thing about the album.

Två av de absolut jobbigaste musikstilarna att lyssa på, amerikansk HC-punk och frijazz, här kombinerade. Det blir för tufft för mig

Not for me at all.

Holy shit who can listen to this? I’m sure these musicians are some of the most talented people but this is horrible

So. This gave me a headache. I hate this.

Verry impressive from the technical point of view. The album is something for specialists - definitively not for me.

?/10 - скип, т.к. не нравится и нет на площадках(бутман пизже)

Unlistenable noise or high-concept brilliance? Definitely the former...

Absolutely awful experience. One of the worst things I’ve ever heard.

I appreciate experimenting but no. Extremely anxiety inducing.

Wtf nog nooit zo blij geweest met reclame

Was on a good streak until this!! Absolute carnage!

do you like big band style horn sections? what about a couple of them playing over each other with scattered drums behind it? terrible? of course it is!

To put it simply… unlistenable. But that album cover is pretty dope

Day 134 Not for me at all, struggled to get through this.

I was excited for this after I read what it was, thinking I'd get some uptempo jazz. This a true cacophony of sound. Apparently he was trying to make hardcore punk with saxophones? This is crazy. Ultimately it's too disorganized to enjoy, though I see why it's notable.

What in the world is this

A whole lot of effort went into hating this album. Nothing on Spotify so I tried YouTube Music. There was a playlist called Spy vs. Spy so I listened to that. But after I was through I determined that it was actually a collection that didn’t include more than two tracks from the album. Then I found some album called Spy vs. Spy on YouTube and started listening to that. This time I determined that it was not the real deal earlier. Anyway, all the tracks I listed to sounded like screeching saxophones over chaos. Sigh.

Didn't listen. Couldn't find album

Really bad. Not for the masses. I can appreciate free form jazz as a form of expression, but it just sounds terrible. Absolutely should not be on this list. Very hard to listen.

This did not pair well with the type of morning I had yesterday. I can’t imagine what it would pair well with. Maybe trying to rush around a supermarket with 5 minutes to close and a three week shopping list. My one star is based on approx. three minutes of listening.

Not on any streaming platform so wasn’t the easiest to listen to. Wasn’t worth the effort in the end. Awful noise

You know what, if you're into this sort of stuff, I take my hat off to you. One of the most insane albums I've ever listened to, and I'm a death metal fan.

“Now you must acquire a taste for freeform jazz.” - Patrick Star, Spongebob Squarepants S2E26 This album is my brain when I don’t take Ritalin. Like, I understand what the free jazz movement was doing, and I love some noisy shit, but perhaps I’m not an adult yet. Or maybe I don’t like alto sax as an instrument? Drums were absolutely killing this whole album, but it kind of sounded like an incredibly extended solo break. This album cover was...a choice. Why are we flogging a woman?

Not on US Apple Music.

Did not have a Spotify link :(

Goodness me as a Saxophonist myself I desperately wanted to go against what appears to be the norm and give this album (once I found it available to be streamed) a big thumbs up. Instead of thumbs up it became two index fingers into ears. 1/5 6/12/25

Pas ma came 🤔

Maybe the worst jazz yet

01) W.R.U. - 1,0 02) Chronology - 1,0 03) Word for Bird - 1,0 04) Good Old Days - 1,5 05) The Disguise - 1,0 06) Enfant - 1,0 07) Rejoicing - 1,0 08) Blues Connotation - 1,5 09) C. & D. - 1,0 10) Chippie - 1,5 11) Peace Warriors - 1,0 12) Ecars - 1,0 13) Feet Music - 3,0 14) Broad Way Blues - 3,0 15) Space Church - 1,0 16) Zig Zag - 1,0 17) Mob Job - 1,0 TOTAL: 1,32 (13/100) Current ranking: 736/738 How can this even be called music? When the commercial started I thought for a second, this finally sounds ok, and then I realized I was listening to it on YouTube...

Started out hating it at the beginning, but got used to all the cacophony that it got a bit interesting at the end. Probably most liked 1 star album :-)

It wasnt even on spotify anymore and had to look it up on yt. Listening to is was definetely an experience, but not a good one, though im happy I tried

haha, woah

Nur Jazz und Instrumente *Trompete gar nicht mein Fall

What goes through my head as I am studying for my complex analysis, differential equations and Fourier analysis exam =D

I don't care how technically proficient this is. I dont like it.

Well, I hated it.

Screeching sax, Dikshit no like

An experiment in cacophony that succeeds

jesus fucking christ god damn blast beats everywhere There's some crazy rhythmic/drum stuff going on that I don't think of when I think "jazz" (like the blast beats) and it would be really sick if it was explored more but the saxophone wailing is so fucking relentless. Don't get me wrong I can get behind full out chaos if it's being used in juxtaposition. 6 minutes in - can this be over yet? I GET IT. Is there more to say?? Just to be even more annoying they put a big ass reverb on the whole drum kit during Enfant. Intentionally obnoxious shit drives me bonkers, it reminds me of the twerpy kid in school who repeated the annoying phrase over and over because he knows it bugs people and he wants attention - this is why everyone makes fun of jazz. 15 minutes in and I just loudly exclaimed "UGHH" to no one. Imagine being the poor engineer who had to sit through these sessions? The drum reverb is killing me hahahah Woah Ecars actually feels slightly different (one notch more coherent) Feet Music - okay lets fucking go!! Actual discernible melody and harmony!! Performances felt a little one-note to me... get it? cuz there's a million fucking notes!!! 1/5 obviously. Truly torturous. My initial reaction to this is "this doesn't need to exist." But that's a knee-jerk reaction based on my preferences and is unfair. The longer I think on that (and the longer I was subjected to this record) the more I change my mind, surprisingly. I just don't understand it, I think is what it comes down to. Obviously there's a lot of noise music out there (and most doesn't require one ounce of the technique this monster does). So I KNOW there's a point - and maybe a lot of music I love has shared roots with this type of stuff, I just have a tough time seeing it. I'd be happy to get some more insight on this, more than happy to be proven wrong about any of it, but anyone rating this higher than 1 has some explaining to do.

Couldn’t review, not available on Spotify.

I couldn't get through it.

Puke. Noise.

panic attack inducing music. sure there’s talent somewhere in this but good lord…couldn’t make it past the first track

The first album in the list I could not hear. It wasn't available on Spotify. I had to look up on other platforms and... Too experimental for my taste.

Look I knew what I signed up for when I started 1001 albums, I was going to get weird stuff, and I wanted to widen my musical palette. That being said, this is a no for me, this is not fun to listen to in any capacity. This is what people refer to when they jazz is pretentious and then they make fun of you for ‘not getting it’. I’m sorry no, there are better jazz albums on this list that don’t and I’m quoting family guy insist upon itself.

Wow, where to begin. I had low expectations from what I’d read, and they were not wrong. I have never let ads play through without skipping. It was the only reprieve from the torture that was that album.

(20/100)

So that was a very long, unpleasant 41 minutes! These guys were very talented and undoubtedly doing what they wanted creatively in mixing jazz with hardcore punk as they free-styled on their instruments. But it took about three songs (out of seventeen!) for everything to start sounding the same. There are a total of 0 albums by Warren Zevon on this list purporting to represent 1001 albums we all "must hear" before we die. But this ear-crushing cacophony made it. You do the math. Listening to this has given me a headache.

That was... busy?

It wasn’t available to stream

What a terrible day to have ears

A tough listen, pops sqwarks, arhtyhmn, I’m missing something.

I was previously familiar with Ornette Coleman but not John Zorn. I can sort of see the appeal of this in theory - it's a very interesting mashup of genres. I would even go so far as to say that it works, for a few tracks. But a full album of this is way too much. This could work as an album if alternated with some palate cleansing between the tracks. As it stands, it's a relentless assault on the ears. I could see a track here or there working within the context of something larger (particularly the track "Blues Connotation" which stood out in a good way), but this is not good as it is. I could not get through all of it and would not listen again.

Musical masturbation for guys who think they’re cool…played by guys who probably got their asses kicked a lot. Insulting to the ears, and insulting to the listeners on this exercise being forced to even acknowledge its existence. More like shit vs. shit. If only there were 0 stars.

Not on Spotify so I almost gave up. Found on YouTube but couldn’t listen very long. Gave me anxiety. I bet these guys are pretentious as shit.

No. 0/5

Pretty sure this album could trigger seizures. Listened to it on You Tube and the best part were the commercials.

Just no. For something to be considered “music” there needs to be structure. This is 40 minutes of a high school wind ensemble warming up.

That put me in seriously bad nick

I couldn't access this album.

Not for me

Wat een ellendige jazz kakafonie

A group of people come across a brick of cocaine and a pile of instruments. After doing all the coke they decide to see who can play an instrument the fastest. The German noise band was way more interesting than this one

Ricky Bobby: Nobody plays jazz at the Pit Stop! Jean Girard: Then why is the song on the jukebox? Bartender: We use it for profiling purposes. We also have the Pet Shop Boys and Seal.

Unlistenable.

This is junk

That sounded like a Middle School Band warming up - for like an hour straight, and then walking off stage. It’s not artsy and avant-garde to make noise and call it music, it’s just annoying.

I was on such a great streak! Five 4 or 5-star albums in a row, and you ruined it John.

Where do I get my "I survived the Spy Vs. Spy album" T-shirt? It sounded like someone threw a couple of jazz bands down a 40 minute long staircase with just a few flat spots to play music during. Like I get it, they had a concept and they hit it, but it was not all that fun to listen to.

Seriously not into freeform jazz

not listenable

Good old days and Feet Music sound good

This is what I mean when I say I hate jazz. My favourite part was the silence in between songs. Absolutely started my day off on the wrong foot.

This is what I imagine a seizure would sound like in my head. 1 star

uuuurrrrrgghhhh Listen: I don't like to hate on experimental albums. I see all the fact that they're some of the lowest-rated albums and I can't help but give 'em the sideeye. I mean, I get it, I really do: this kind of music absolutely isn't for everyone. I'm not asking people to like these albums. I'm not saying even **I** like all of them! But I read some of these reviews, and I think it'd be worthwhile for some of these people to acknowledge that even if you don't like these albums, they **are** expanding your musical horizons. These are albums trying to expand the definition of what "music" can be, and it's shit you'll never hear on 'Rumours' or 'The Dark Side Of The Moon' or any other highly-rated album from the 60's or 70's. 'Kollaps,' 'Duck Stab!/Buster & Glan,' 'Scum,' 'They Were Wrong, So We Drowned...' I appreciate what they're doing, if nothing else. Which actually leads me to a funny thing about me and experimental music. I've explained this somewhere else before, but when it comes to this kind of material, I sometimes feel like I get it... Y'know, **too much**? Like I have some kind of hidden third ear that can listen through the strangeness and the noise to understand what's going on underneath. And more often than not: I'm bored, actually. 'Trout Mask Replica,' as an example, kind of bores me. I don't mean to sound like one of those "I'M SO CRAZY TO ME WEIRD AL IS JUST NORMAL AL" guys, but seriously: it just doesn't sound that weird to me. Believe me: an album has to actively get up in my craw for me to truly, honestly dislike it — or, using the softest version of this word that I can, hate it. To this point, I've yet to give out more than ten 1's. I've granted exactly eight (and, frankly, it should be seven; I was maybe a bit **too hard** on Limp Bizkit). I'm far from the most positive in my group, but I **always** to try to be fair to an album. You hafta **really** piss me off or bug me or just plain bore the ever-loving shit out of me to get me to hate an album. So, please, do truly believe me: I intended to give this album every fair shot I could. Every benefit of the doubt. Every little scrap of good will it did or did not deserve. Like, maybe, just maybe, I'll see something in it that so many other people ha This is just noise. I do not say that lightly. In fact, I **hate** calling albums noise. But this... I mean, you can give me all the context you want, in regards to this guy's "hardcore miniature" style, or Ornette Coleman's own free jazz work... Any excuse about how this is "jazz for the post-punk generation." This is noise. It's like... You know, I've talked before about this idea, where I assume there are people who will do whatever random, thoughtless shit they want and call it "experimental" or "avant-garde" to get away with it. And believe, there's a difference between "chaos" and "random-ass shit." On no other album have I felt that that's true than this album. From the sound of it, I would honestly believe they're not actually playing a single Ornette Coleman. You could tell me that they spent the whole time improvising and I'd believe it. Hell, you could tell me the horns and the drums were recorded at different times, in different studios, in different countries, on different **continents**, and that neither group ever met up and had no idea what they were recording for, and that this was all haphazardly assembled in post, and I'd damn believe you. Like, yeah, it fits one of my points: I'll never hear **this shit** on 'Abbey Road!' But them, would I **want to**? I mean, I'm pretty sure I could hear this from any random jazz ensemble farting around as a **joke**. I **needed** to hear this? This "deconstruction of jazz" or whatever? If this is deconstruction, then it's in that sort of way where it kind of hates its targets and is just not interested in being kind to it. The "But what if Superman was evil?" of jazz. And, y'know, I see people complaining about albums being or not being on this list. The "review" that's been a thorn in my side for the longest is one for Deep Purple's 'Made In Japan' that's largely just the author whining about how MF DOOM isn't on this list. Like, I try to avoid that sort of thing myself, because I assume that even if I don't like the album, it has to be here for a **reason**. Even if it's just the editor's love for obscure British acts, there has to be **something**. And, I mean, with this album... I mean, let me tell you this: this is the only Ornette Coleman album on this list. Again: **this is the only Ornette Coleman album on this list**. 'The Shape Of Jazz To Come?' The album I'd **assume** you'd put on a list like this, if you were going to include an Ornette Coleman album at all? One of the most controversial, yet influential jazz records of all time? Completely absent from this list. But **this** is here. And I'm not just bringing this up for nothing, I should say. I actually went and sampled some of 'The Shape Of Jazz To Come,' and believe you me — it's not just noise! Sure, it's very freeform, but it never all just blends into each other as two drummers compete to see who can play the loudest. There's far more understandable intention here! It doesn't leave me sitting in my chair, slack-jawed because I just can't believe that I'm supposed to be **impressed** by this. Seriously, maybe John Zorn is better elsewhere, on one of his other albums — I don't wanna judge his whole oeuvre by one album — but it's not like I've been given much incentive to find out, y'know? Experimental music is supposed to push the boundaries of music. Like, everything could be just Top 40 radio hits. Enjoyable? Sure. Pleasant? Sure. But is any of it actually interesting? Mostly not. Experimental musicians are here to tell you that there's a whole wide world out there, where music can be whatever you want. It can be nice and melodic — or it can be strange, or harsh, or atonal, or just plain rough. Some people just **need** that. I mean, would you really wanna live in a world where no one ever pushed boundaries? Where no one had the **freedom** to take music and shape it as they pleased? It'd be a pretty boring world, if you asked me. Even if you dislike it, just **hate it** — you hafta appreciate what it's doing. But I have my limits. And this is a step way too far beyond them. Whatever the audience is for this album — I'm not part of it. And to the people who can hear the secret sauce that makes this one of their favorites: I'm happy for you. I really am. I wish I could hear what you did. But I gave it my all, and I just can't. Thank goodness **this** wasn't the shape jazz to come. Jazz wouldn't have been dead — but damn if it wouldn't have smelled something awful.

Apple had good reason for not adding this album to its streaming library.

I thought I would like this. I didn't.

I would absolutely give this a negative if I could. So bizarre and rambunctious. No thanks!

It is like they think jazz should be played like Sheldon Cooper describes jazz, "they just play all the notes together". This isn't a tribute to the great Ornette Coleman. I would suggest finding all the tracks performed by Coleman and listen to them that way. Much better.

survived it with only minimal damage

No, just no.

Bad. I don't get the attention of this kind of jazz. And before any hip cats who think they are in the know say, " if I have to explain it you won't get it". Everyone living in the real world know you have no clue eather.

the album isn’t on spotify do idk what to do with this but based on other peoples reviews it’s just shit jazz so

Dear Lord, what in the actual hell was this. It sounded like the drums were beating the shit out of the saxophones for half the album, and at one point I swear I heard an elephant getting strangled in the background. I did not know thrash jazz was apparently a thing, and I was better off before learning that. This was just pure chaos to me. Not the fun kind either, just nonstop noise that felt like it was trying to start a fight with my speakers.

Not on streaming

Musical vandalism

This is the exact kind of chaotic jazz I have always hated. Maybe they have something to say, maybe it's a different experience for them playing it. But for me it's unpleasant noise that would best be played if you were trying to get me to divulge state secrets.

This is a wall of sound that pierces my eardrums. Not my thing. A complete crazed saxophone/jazz riff where all songs sound alike. Wanted to like it but the chaos hits me nowhere.

This sounds like all the instruments have been thrown into the dishwasher and then the dishwasher has been turned on and thrown down the stairs. Oh and the dishwasher is on fire. 1 star: an absolute casserole of a record

Pretentious horseshit. John Zorn has only ever been played for me by hipsters trying to dunk on my taste in music.

Geez - this makes me uptight and nervous. That's not what I like my music to do.

Very samey. I do not like jazz and albums like this only vindicate my opinion of it.

Just a jumbled mess of noise.

2/10… free jazz / avantgarde

Pure jazz fart smelling, not worth anyone's time to listen to.

Nothing I could hear or will hear again

Sorry chief, couldn't do it. No clue if this turns into something more cohesive at some point. But I wasn't hanging around to find out.

Kind of just noise.

That's a No from me

I was immediately like “nope.” Now I’ve finished the album and I’m still like “nope.”

Klangliche Körperverletzung. John Zorn macht aus Ornette Coleman ein hysterisches Saxophon-Massaker. Keine Seele, kein Groove – nur Lärm, Chaos, und Aggro-Jazz für Masochisten.

tf is this

Not an enjoyable experience There were a few moments of clarity but not enough to cancel out my 1 star rating

"RANDOM BULLSHIT GO" the album. It's a cacophony of sounds that give off the impression that the album wants you to fuck off and never come back. The sad part is? Sometimes it clicks together and is actually damn decent.

It fails to meaningfully incorporate the things that make punk music great while pissing off people who don't need pissing off. Jazz purists are permanently miserable by themselves already. And worst of all I still have 20 minutes left. This made me regret my self imposed rule of not skipping anything.

The sound of a mental breakdown.

I did not like this. The music stressed me out!

Fucking hell.

Favorite Song: There isn't one

I'm not cool enough for this.

How is this even on the list? It’s just 40 minutes of nonsense experimental jazz that sounds like a migraine. This is awful

40 minutes of brutal, in your face, hardcore jazz. Not good. At all.

Listen, I will play zis only once! Experimental thrash fusion jazz with barely a melody in earshot. It might be your favourite migraine but it ain't mine.

Musical chaos, not my type of tea but you can tell that they are all great players

Tried to listen to this It’s like jazz on meth. Frenetic and noisy and loud….but not in a good way. This is the album equivalent of the tweaked out guy at the entrance of a 7-11.

Not on Spotify

Noget jazz punk agtig noget. Skal jeg være helt ærlig lyttede jeg kun til 10 min.

I did it. I listened to it all the way through. It was awful and horrible and I hated every minute of it like I knew I would. But I did it. I wish I could give it 0/5.

Spotify doesn't let you play this album ... be like Spotify

Yeah, fuck this noise.

I guess im not musically educated or old enough to really appreciate what these musicians are doing. However, this aggressive free jazz record is not something I can enjoy at all.

I only found playlist on YTM with most of the songs. I believe that whole album would not sounded any better for me.

It's as if they recorded a bunch of musicians separately, said play whatever you want as long as it's fast and loud, and then played them all on top of each other

Nah fam this ain’t the one for me.

I'm sorry, but I can't finish this. I realize the musicianship behind it is good, but it was an amazing feeling just to turn it off.

I have never been more thankful for ads on YouTube. 1/5

Art is subjective but this is buns.

A wild collection of spastic cacophony, strictly for the snootiness jazzophiles. WARNING: This album may cause epileptic seizures.

I am sure this took so much talent to make, but I just could not sit there for 45 minutes listening to the absolute cacophony of whatever that was.

This is a joke right? Probably a reason this isn't on Spotify as it cant be classed as music? Absolutely awful. Sounds like someone put a bunch of instruments into a tumble dryer and recorded it.

Ég setti þessa djassplötu á fóninn á meðan ég var í vinnunni. Þægilegt að hlusta á djass á meðan en svo fer þessi plata í gang og ég gat eiginlega ekki einbeitt mér. Þetta var alveg hreint afskaplega erfitt áhlustunar og ég var svo feginn þegar yfir lauk. Aldrei aftur takk.

Its all a bit unnecessary!! There is some tuneage in there but in the words of Otis Lee Crenshaw ' a Jazz band is just the sound of a blues band being pushed down a set of stairs"

This sounds like someone is trying to play 3 hours of jazz, but only had an hour of studio time to record.

This starts in pure cacophony. I actually thought I was accidentally playing it on 2x speed. I am NOT liking this so far. It is painful to listen to. When will it end. I don't think I can make it through 41 minutes of this. Sounds like 4 albums are playing at once and my dog is playing with a squeaky toy during it. I keep thinking it's going to change to actual music at some point but it's not. This is torturous. Truly ear splittingly awful. I typically love jazz and this is making me hate the whole genre. The best parts are the parts when each song ends. It's stressing out my dog! I feel like if someone enjoys this, they're the worst kind of pretentious. yes I understand that it's probably musically impressive to accomplish but that doesn't make it GOOD. It gets SLIGHTLY better in the middle but not by enough. Sounds like geese being massacred. Or a middle school band of bees on cocaine. If I was Ornette Coleman, I'd be truly upset by this. Sounds like a circus caught on fire. If this isn't in the bottom 10, I'll be amazed. Hopefully I can give it no stars, but if I have to give it one, it will be because it made me appreciate any other music more. I'm not even half-way through it. I desperately hope my neighbors can't hear this through the floor, because if I were them I'd call in a noise complaint to the cops. But I also can't bear to wear headphones while listening to this.

Unlistenable. Tried listen with my all, but it is the type of jazz for people who absolutely love jazz with their soul, or people who hate themselves. Clearly the musicians are passionate for the music and they have respect for its creator because why else would 5 talented musicians come together to make this cacophony of noise. Lineup consists two saxophone players, two drummers and a bass player. Imagine if everyone was giving a full on solo of every note all the time at once. Midway thru I thought it was going to pivot and get better which it did for a moment before continuing with the emotional car crash that is this album.

Oh man. What the hell was that?!?! I kind of like the aesthetic even though it was borderline unlistenable. Pure chaos. 1.5/5

I feel like for this review thing to make sense I need to listen to an album in its entirety regardless if I enjoy it or not. This album was an exception. I could not get through more than 4 and a half songs. It just felt like noise. Call me uncultured or incapable of understanding the “complexity” of whatever this is, but I will never be listening to it again.

Im sure this was fun to play, however, it was not fun to listen to.

Finally got around to listening. Wow

Sometimes you should be asking "Why?" and not just, "Why Not?".

The first five minutes of this ensures that it can never be anything but a one-star review. Fuck that. I don't care that people will generously call it avant-garde - it's either pretentious wank, or just noise. The result is the same. Sad thing is that interesting things actually start to (slowly and unevenly) happen from 5 minutes and forward, but it’s not nearly enough, and nothing about this is essential listening. No shit this garbage is not on Spotify.

Jestas mitä jazzia. Nyt ei auennut yhtään.

1/10 Oh god. The devil horn. In stereo, playing different random notes while a drummer violently disagrees with them both on anything that might be construed as a cohesive sound. It's relentless, although on a couple of occasions a tune tries to break out, only to be brutally assaulted around the head with a barrage of sax notes blasted at the full limit of the infernal instrument's gasping worst. I ran out of time and inclination to make it to the end, but unless there is some kind of musical epiphany halfway through, I don't think anything was going to happen to change my mind.

Getoeter! En niet een beetje. Wat een zenuwenmuziek zeg. De koppijn! Geen idee wie die Ornette Coleman is, maar ik hoop dat zij er plezier aan heeft beleefd. Ik niet, in ieder geval.

Vrije jazz volgens wiki. Nou wiki, er is een verschil tussen vrije jazz en een kakofonie...

Free jazz fusion met thrashcore a la Napalm Death. Ik vrees vooraf al het ergste, dus op zich kan het alleen maar meevallen. Het begint gelijk al met chaotische toeters, waar weinig melodie in te herkennen valt. Op de achtergrond rost er iemand (of schijnbaar 2 mensen) zo chaotisch mogelijk op een partij drums. Af en toe komt er een stuk voorbij waar wel enige samenhang in zit, dan is het een soort jazzcompositie met wat hardere strakkere rocky drums. Jazzdrum is meestal een soort van ritmisch getik, terwijl bij andere muziekstijlen vaak harder op de vellen wordt geslagen. Ik heb het uit kunnen luisteren. Het was voornamelijk chaotische jazz, niet de stijl jazz die ik prefereer, voor zover ik uberhaupt iets met jazz heb. Ik had het allemaal erger verwacht, al was ik voorbereid op het ergste. Napalm Death was een stuk kutter. Ik kom op een 1,5 uit, wat ik graag naar beneden afrond.

Couldn't get this on my streaming service, but I know Coleman's stuff. Too bad, I like the source material.

I've heard of John Zorn before in the context of him collaborating with Mike Patton so I knew I'm going to hear some absolutely fucked up music. And I wasn't wrong. I do think this is something people should hear to experience how weird music can get. While it didn't give me a headache I'm still only going to give it 1/5

I had to hunt THAT down? I should have just cheated on this one. (ntm.)

I can absolutely appreciate that different types of music can connect with different people and honestly that's sort of the coolest thing about music for me - the discovery - finding what affects me and allows me to really connect with it. When I read about people who like and appreciate this though, I try to understand what it is that they hear here that I don't. It just doesn't make sense to me. I hear a cacophony, nothing more. How anyone can listen to this and hear music, and can connect with whatever is happening here is baffling and outside of my comprehension. This is the opposite of everything that I know and love about the music that I enjoy listening to.

No......just no

TOO MUCH!

338/1001 🌗🌑🌑🌑🌑

Nazi scum can fuck off

Woof, that's over. Going to put on some soothing vibraphone lullabies or ambient music now.

4/16/25. Perhaps I just didn't understand what was happening in this record, I found it to be noisy as hell.

Horrible, screechy, unpleasant noise.

not available on spotify

I gave this about ten minutes on Youtube and it's borderline unlistenable. It sounds like I let my 6-year-old and her friends loose on a saxophone and a drum kit and recorded the results. I understand there must have been a lot of talent required to perform this, but that talent would've been better spent actually producing somewhat coherent music.

Hardcore jazz just isn't my thing. And I'm too old to learn to appreciate it. I just get a headache. I'm sorry I couldn't finish the album.

I only lasted two minutes for the first listen. The second listen I endured the whole thing. But it was hell.

Y’all are listening to this? It stressed me out. Truly can’t imagine anyone enjoying this.

This is not music, don't care what anyone says. Truly awful collection of noises

I'm a jazz fan but I never liked Ornette Coleman's music so I'm not going to like it any better if John Zorn is playing it. This is anti-music, unbearable and unlistenable. Aimless, self-indulgent crap is still crap no matter who is playing it. Truly horrible.

dogshit

Can’t find.

Way to experimental, just noise

Triggered my fight or flight.

Had zin in rustig muziekje Dit was geen rustig muziekje Werd er erg onrustig van Nee niet voor mij

is it something I’m glad to have heard - possibly. Is it something I’d willingly listen to again - no.

Another tough one to find AND listen to. Sound likes what? I have no idea.

disgusting

Unlistenable.

Unlistanble, no cohesion or structure what so ever

Gave up after about 4 tracks

Nicht abspielbar.

This is just unlistenable atonal noise. When I say I really hate jazz this nonsense is exactly what I'm talking about. This is getting-Noriega-to-leave-the-embassy level noise.

I was awoken at 4am by my apartment's fire alarm and somehow that wasn't the worst sound I heard today.

Not on Spotify

Well this isn't on Spotify, but I'm going to listen to a few songs on youtube.

Not for me

I don't feel like I NEEDED to listen to this.

This album is what happens when you tell kids they can be anything they want when they grow up. It's like they handed a bunch of grade school kids instruments and told them to play the Jazz album the teacher just played for them.

I try not to be too negative on albums because I believe that all music is art, but this was shit. Maybe I don't understand a certain message or theme that it's trying to convey, and I don't really care. I know for damn sure that I'm not listening to this album any more than I have just to find some, "meaning." My ears need a break and a few tissues to stop the bleeding.

Yeah, this is horrible noise.

Nah man. Just nah

Been a while since ive heard a true 1 star. Simply unlistenable. A 180 second concept drawn out over 2460 seconds

Yeah bro let's write an album where you play the same exact fast drum/cymbal beat for an hour straight and I'll play the trumpet like I'm in 8th grade band

BUNS HOLY SHIT

Pre-listening thoughts: you know what? Hell yeah. I am so glad that today’s album is going to be dogshit. And you know why? Because I have had so much new music of my own discovery in my rotation, I don’t have to make space for anything else new right now. I can spend these 24 hours relishing some other great albums while giving this album the one time pass over it deserves. But I will also say before listening to this that I have taken so many music history classes that I DO in fact know who Ornette Coleman is. I have never seen a class recoil the way people did when professors would play Ornette Coleman’s music after playing Miles Davis or John Coltrane. It is very freeform as is, without John Zorn’s input. So this is going to be a disaster. Post/during listening thoughts: this is exactly what I expected 😭. It’s freeform jazz, just with more noise. The two drummers were… a choice, but the latter half of this album is occasionally listenable (at least as listenable as its source material). I still would never sit down and listen to this again. 1.5/10 DID I NEED TO HEAR THIS BEFORE I DIE: no Fav tracks: Feet Music Least fav tracks: pretty much the entire first half

Yeah nah this sucks. It’s just noise for 40 odd minutes, half of it doesn’t even really sound like music. Feet Music was okay but it’s very difficult to get through all the songs before it. Everything else was pretty much utter crap.

Once again reminding me that I don't appreciate jazz. As I described to Devon, this sounds like you set a large group of toddlers loose on a roomful of musical instruments after you fed them speed. I found it very unpleasant to listen to. Rating: 1

Can’t list to

What do you want to know, just ask and I’ll tell you , but please….please don’t make me listen to more of this.

Literally sounds like if someone took a group of middle school band kids and made them play Sing, Sing, Sing (Benny's Goodman version, the best version). Not mad at it being on the list, but I don't like it...like at all, besides some swing moments.

Fuuuuuuuuuuck no.

Couldn’t access

Props to whoever can make it through this

What am I missing? It sounded like instruments screaming at each other.

Painful listen. Not sure how this is supposed to be enjoyable. Couldnt even make it halfway.

Jeg elsker at sådan noget lort her eksistere. Det får alt andet til at være tålligt. Klokke klar 1er. Og jeg var aldrig i tvivl.

LMAO WTF

This making it on here, but nothing actually by Ornette Coleman, is the perfect summary of the 1001 Album list.

Not available on Spotify. Who are you , Neil Young. Even Neil is back

Me no likey

uh-oh. the once lowest ranked album on this list. and it is free jazz. instead of listening to this, i'd rather give throbbing gristle or the birthday party a 4 or 5 than listen to this shit, because these two sounds pretty good when compared with this shit. 1/5

Utter dogshit

Not good, no groove

I’m just not into jazz

I appreciate the attempt to experiment. But seriously, who the fuck is this music for.

Kan vara den värsta skivan på denna lista. Totalt olyssningsbart.

Like they threw an orchestra down the stairs at Whetherspoons. 0 stars.

finally, an album that answers the question "what if the ending of 21st Century Schizoid Man lasted 40 goddamn minutes?"

Hm, eigentlich schade, warum spielt man eine 33er LP auf 78 ab? Andererseits sehr überraschend, ein Saxophon auf Speed zwischen den ganzen Singer-Songwritern und Post-Grunge Bands zu finden. Da hat der Ersteller der 1001-Liste sich wohl im Drogenrausch versehen.

A full noise misch-masch. Not for my ears. I would like to give it a thumb down. Definitely not my cup of tea.

What the fuck man?

Not available on Spotify

I could not find this one, but as I recall, this must be jazz and I probably wouldn't have liked it anyhow.

Spy v. Spy is an iconic comic from Mad Magazine. Which, it was neat to find out, was created by a Cuban cartoonist specializing in political satire who fled Cuba as Fidel Castro nationalized the Cuban press. Now I have to do my best to forget about John Zorn's "Spy vs. Spy," in the hopes that the chaotic jazz noise will not pop into my head any time I see Antonio Prohías' black and white bomb-obsessed spies. I wish the spies had stuck a bomb in Zorn's saxophone.

It's like everyone in a jazz band is performing their most hard core solo at the same time without paying any attention to what the rest of the band is doing. It is the aural equivalent of flashing, flickering lights and should come with a warning that it can cause seizures. Pure cacophony.

This album reminds me of a specific scene from Kindegarten Cop. Teacher: You know, kindergarten is like the ocean. You never want to turn your back on it. Schwarzenegger enters his classroom to find absolute chaos. Kids running around screaming. Some painting the chalkboard red. Another dumping a bag of flour everywhere. And a kid dancing all over the piano keys. That scene is this album. And then… Schwarzenegger: SHUT UUUUPPPPP!!!! Shut up, shut up, shut uuuuppppp. He refers to them as monsters. I agree.

This is hot garbage. So little, if any, was enjoyable with this heap of trash. I recognize there were two drummers on this album, but never before have I thought music could contain too much drumming! But I don't want to blame the drums solely, because John Zorn must be held accountable for this discordant piece of shit.

Thrashy improv-sounding jazz? Anyone who knows me could have immediately guessed that this would not be my thing. But here we are. What an absolute nonstop cacophony. Couldn't have enjoyed this less.

I am so, so sad that a jazz album is going to go down amongst the closest ones I came to turning off without finishing. Not only is it purposefully cacophonous...the music also sounds very much the same throughout. Really, really disappointing way to present avant garde jazz--you've already broken the structure, can I get some more ideas at least?

Hosting a dinner party with people you absolutely hate and want to get rid of as soon as possible? Put this album on and watch them scramble for the door. Oh good they actually like it? Run! For the love of god just run! Forget about your belongings, get of there before they turn you into one of them!

I can see what this is in the worst 20-rated albums on this list.  It was described as free jazz, but that is just a fancy way of saying it's not music, it's just noise. If you're looking to increase your stress levels or find yourself overwhelmed by chaotic sounds, you might consider giving this album a listen. If you want to stay relaxed, I strongly recommend steering clear of it.

Worst one yet

Sounds like a lorry carrying a load of drums and saxophones had a road traffic accident

Probably not what I was looking for when listening to this album. It’s jazz, but frenetic and loud, and all over the place. I think the musicians are doing incredible work, it’s very clever, but it’s not what I’m looking for listening right now, which might adversely affect my low score.

i know intellectually that this is not a 1/5, that the original compositions are beautiful and these rearrangements are very deliberately, thoughtfully abrasive - i know that my reaction to the thing is the record working as intended. but this project is ultimately for my own amusement and reference, and i very much did jump ship after 12 minutes because the listening experience stressed me out real bad.

Not available in my Spotify region, YouTube works. But it’s no loss, this album is not for me

I like jazz, but I'd rather listen to a room filled with 100 cats collectively scraping their claws on a chalkboard than this.

Racket made for dickheads

The sound of my brain falling down the stairs. Jesus what a noise. This may be all virtuoso and stuff but it's bloody awful. Zero out of ten

This is the equivalent of modern art in some ways. It doesn’t make sense to me. I get that are needs to expand and experiment, but sometimes it gets a little ridiculous. This truly is an assault on the ears and while it may be something to listen to before you die. Dear God, please don’t let this be the last thing I listen to before I die!!

Makes Throbbing Gristle sound not so terrible.

I like to consider it a blessing in disguise when albums aren’t available on Spotify, and despite the kind offer from another user to send over the tracks, I’ve opted to decline and consider myself saved from a potential ear bleed

horrible!

Wasn't on Spotify.

Pros: * Cool album art * Impressively low 'fucks given' count when it comes to following musical conventions * 'Feet Music' was genuinely enjoyable Cons: * Bit samey * Kinda unlistenable

Wild, man! Outrageous! Unlistenable! You know when the band finishes a big number and holds out the last note, and every musician fills time simultaneously until the one final stinger all played together? This album is that long final note of chaos, but played the entire album length. I tried listening to Zorn around the time I was getting more into Mike Patton, both pushing the musical boundaries (especially Patton's solo work). I thought I just didn't understand Zorn at the time, or heard a few bad tracks. I honestly can hear some melodic music by skilled musicians hiding in here in parts of tracks like "Word For Bird" and "Enfant," but as a whole, it's too "everybody solo!" for there to be much cohesion. "Rejoicing" is a highlight here.

I just don’t get it. Jazz isn’t my strong point anyway and I guess this is the jazz equivalent of thrash metal, but I just didn’t get it. I listened all the way through and it’s all atonal noise. It’s a no from me, sorry John.

"The horror... the horror!!!!"

I was going to give this another chance. But it looks like the music gods heard my prayer. Because it has been removed from Spotify. 1/5

unlistenable

Extremely tiring

Could not play on spotify

This has to be a joke, right? Christ on a bike.

They just played all the notes at once for 40 minutes. John Zorn owes me advil.

I think there was one song, maybe 2/3rds of the way through, that was sort of listenable. And that's being kind. The rest is complete garbage. Nothing about this is interesting, compelling, or good. I was listening in the car with one of my kids (I like to torture them at times) and she, at one point, didn't realize that we were on the 7th song of the album because it "all sounded exactly the same."

Why the hell is this included? It’s like he went into the studio trying to create music that would drive someone insane within seconds. It felt like random fast saxophone notes paired with someone doing a shitty impression of Alex Van Halen’s drum intro for “Hot for Teacher”. Worst album out of the 800+ recommended so far

Just noise

Felt like just a bunch of noise; not my thing.

i haven't heard this, i tried but i couldn't

Yeah, no

Just an obnoxious clashing of saxophone solos layered on top of each other with no consideration for making the music actually sound good.

I read a couple of the reviews on the site, and the few positive ones urged me to go in with an open mind, which I very much tried to do. 'Assault on the senses' is absolutely the way to describe the first half of the album, I hadn't expected an improvised jazz record to be so intense but it absolutely does borrow from stuff like thrashcore. As it's not on Spotify, I listened on YouTube with ads, and the dulcet tones of Sean Bean advertising some phone company were a nice bit of light relief. It did improve in the second half, a lot more tuneful but still with a bit of edge. I don't think it's the worst thing we've had, but it's definitely not my cup of tea or particularly good. A 1/5, but could've been worse.

Ich finde dieses Album furchtbar. Mir ist diese Art Jazz zu chaotisch, zu unvorhersehbar. Das schöne ist, dass ich durch diese Liste überhaupt erst auf John Zorn aufmerksam geworden bin. Denn seine späteren Alben sind weniger avantgardistisch und gefallen durchaus auch mir.

the worst I've ever heard

Nicht gefunden

This might be torcher Jazz. Crazy an violent. Has its place, but not for me.

John Zorn is a jazz saxophonist who is among the most prolific recording artists in history. Spy Vs. Spy is his tribute to jazz pioneer Ornette Coleman, who is known for his free jazz style of improvisation. Zorn has recorded an incredible range of music, and this is some of the most difficult to listen to. The performers are technically talented remarkably so. While it is impressive that they are able to play this work, it is not a pleasant listening experience. It's aggressive, noisy, and frequently dissonant.

Listened to this one on Youtube. I guess I'm not a fan of Ornette Coleman. It was a bit of noise jazz and I appreciated the Youtube ad breaks to give my ears a break. Anyway, John Zorn seems cool. The next video that came on was way more enjoyable. My taste is not refined enough to enjoy that kind of music.